Transcript

Justin McMillen:

00;00;00;05 - 00;00;11;28

Landon McNamara:

I am the experiment. You can write your own story. Stop trying and don't get into the fear.

Justin McMillen:

00;00;12;01 - 00;00;14;20

Landon McNamara:

X so you never miss an episode.

Justin McMillen:

00;00;14;23 - 00;00;17;14

Landon McNamara:

saying that I'm really glad you're here.

Justin McMillen:

00;00;17;17 - 00;00;37;08

Landon McNamara:

Because, I'll just give you, like, my view of you, if you don't mind. I'll make you a little embarrassed. Maybe go a good way. You're one of the most talented people that I've ever met. And I've met a lot of people in my life. You're that rare combination of human for people. I mean, most people see this.

Justin McMillen:

00;00;37;09 - 00;01;04;28

Landon McNamara:

You're going to know who you are. But musical, creative, just just a fountain, basically, of ideas. And then you're, a world class athlete, which is an incredibly rare, combination. There's, there's athletes who work in multiple sports, you know, but for you to be in two domains in such a powerful way is just it's pretty breathtaking, for you to, to see it.

Justin McMillen:

00;01;04;28 - 00;01;23;13

Landon McNamara:

And, Yeah. So I'm so stoked to have you here. See, I'm stoked to be here. Yeah. I don't know if I would be here in the first place if it wasn't for, how you and your facility helped all of us out, you know? So. Yeah, we don't even need to, I appreciate that. No, no, no, no, I know buddy, that's.

Justin McMillen:

00;01;23;15 - 00;01;47;15

Landon McNamara:

I'm not trying to butter you up. That's the reality, too. You know. Yeah, well, you are. You work hard and and, you're, born and raised in Hawaii. Yeah. North shore of Oahu. Yeah. I been on the, right in Malibu. Right by Sunset Beach my whole life. Okay. And you come from, your whole family is a beach surf?

Justin McMillen:

00;01;47;17 - 00;02;12;14

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Are they all. They're all in Hawaii or all in Hawaii, for the most part. My dad and his brother and my mom and on my family from from the McNamara lineage is are all on an island. Okay? Yeah. Okay. And I know your dad, super cool guy. Kind of his own. He's like a, you know, a force in the North Shore.

Justin McMillen:

00;02;12;14 - 00;02;31;05

Landon McNamara:

I got to see that, actually. So, if you go to, North Shore, you have to go to his shrimp truck and get garlic. Yeah, garlic shrimp or go snorkeling or do one of the many things that he's got going on, but he's like, he's his own mayor in a way. Yeah, he, he he is a good guy to get things done for sure.

Justin McMillen:

00;02;31;05 - 00;02;49;05

Landon McNamara:

And when he went to get his mind set on something, he's he's going to figure out how to make it happen. Yeah. Yeah I got to see that. I was like standing by was just listening to talk to people. And the way he he's like incredibly, I didn't know that side of him. But he's so personable and just making everyone feel like they're the only person that matters.

Justin McMillen:

00;02;49;08 - 00;03;06;18

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Uses my number one supporter. Yeah, well, he's one of those no matter what. I think for the rest of my life, it's like even if I tell him to not do something or to stop me, he's he's going to go out of his way to, do what he thinks is best for his son. So, yeah, I love him.

Justin McMillen:

00;03;06;18 - 00;03;26;02

Landon McNamara:

I love him for that. And his love extends past. I mean, you have like, what do you call what's the Hawaiian word for when you sort of adopt a child and and I and I you have a nice brother. Yeah. Yeah, I all, he's with us from, like, 12 years old. 13 years old until into having his own family.

Justin McMillen:

00;03;26;04 - 00;03;44;14

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. He. But then also beyond that, a lot of a lot of kids too, is our house was kind of a house to, be at in the winter time when those young teen years where as we had a lot of freedom, but also a lot of a lot of care to him. Yeah. That's you can feel that.

Justin McMillen:

00;03;44;17 - 00;04;06;04

Landon McNamara:

And yeah, everybody that has been that's from that area knows your family and you're, you're one of the, the key. What I've learned about Hawaii is that there's sort of these ki families that represent something. And they collectively, it's almost like there's still a tribal thing in Hawaii, you know, like, what's cool it you're and you're not Hawaiian blood, right?

Justin McMillen:

00;04;06;04 - 00;04;25;10

Landon McNamara:

Like, no, no, no, I was just going to say, like, my dad. Yeah. He he he was a haole boy that moved over at, like, eight years old, you know, and he, he just got, he had that getting him, you know, so him and him and Uncle Garrett, they, they locked in with having a few solid Hawaiian friends from the start that were kind of their protectors.

Justin McMillen:

00;04;25;10 - 00;04;48;18

Landon McNamara:

And then they're able to just crawl and scratch their way to where they are now. It's pretty fricking crazy when you think about where they both came from, legitimately, like Harley boys eating out of dumpsters and stuff from from their upbringing to really making it happen for all of us. Like, I'm where I'm at because of the work that they put into, you know.

Justin McMillen:

00;04;48;25 - 00;05;09;28

Landon McNamara:

And then they gave us a respectable name and within surfing and within our community. And I've been able to piggyback off that in a sense to like, in my own way. Yeah, yeah. And you've been on a surfboard since you were. How old, baby? Yeah. I mean, there's videos of me on a surfboard at, like, six months old, just in a pool.

Justin McMillen:

00;05;09;28 - 00;05;26;03

Landon McNamara:

But I was I was always around it, and I was in it from super young. I didn't really catch the bug till like eight years old or something like that, to where I was really, like, psyched on it for myself. But it was in our blood. Grew up right by the beach and in the shore. Break us. It was bound to happen.

Justin McMillen:

00;05;26;05 - 00;05;59;15

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And then I think there's a picture of you at your house where at really young. That was, that was kind of my, my introduction into like, this kid means business. Yeah, I was, I was 13 years old and it was, my first pipe contest I was able to get into. And at that time it was, the contests were a lot different, and my dad knew how to work the system, and it came to a, a situation where I was able to surf in the, in the pipe contest, and a lot of people were like, oh, what's Liam doing?

Justin McMillen:

00;05;59;15 - 00;06;18;24

Landon McNamara:

He's forcing his kid to be out here. He's going to kill him. But that wasn't the case. It was really like I was it was just I was an early bloomer and around 12 years old, I started getting into bigger surf. And the first time I got to prove my readiness was in that contest, and a lot of people were like, this kid's gonna die.

Justin McMillen:

00;06;18;24 - 00;06;39;03

Landon McNamara:

What are they doing? And Liam's gnarly and let's get out today. But it was it was more. So I was ready and the opportunity arose and I got to prove on a grand scale, like, because I got a bomb and crap, hit my head on the reef, broke my board, swam in, got a new board, went back out and then got up another bomb and made my heat.

Justin McMillen:

00;06;39;03 - 00;07;04;19

Landon McNamara:

So from that moment it kind of was like, okay, it's not being forced to do this. He wants to do it and you might have some screws loose. Did you do you, Do you ever. As far as I'm aware, you don't get a you're not afraid. Never fear. No, I'm, I'm I'm afraid all of it. That's what drives me to it though.

Justin McMillen:

00;07;04;19 - 00;07;24;16

Landon McNamara:

I like when the conquering aspect of it, you know, like, if you didn't have those feelings of fear. What? I mean much at all. I think ignorance is bliss in a sense. In the younger stages, there's a lot less fear because you. But through the, because you're super scared about a situation, then this, then the situation happens.

Justin McMillen:

00;07;24;16 - 00;07;50;24

Landon McNamara:

You're like, oh, wait, like I'm good. I'm. I'm super human. I was scared, scared of that. And, it happened and I'm good. But yeah, when I was younger, I was a lot, lot less fear, I'd say, just because I didn't. You don't know the realities of it. And then you go on and you see people get hurt, you see people die and all this stuff, you're like, okay, well, I'm I'm maybe not more scared.

Justin McMillen:

00;07;50;24 - 00;08;09;14

Landon McNamara:

I'm just more conscious of the reality of what I'm doing, which is a beautiful thing to like, you know? And I just not know what you're getting yourself into. But now having a son and family and whatnot, there's situations where a few times where I felt like I was getting close to dying or afterwards, I'm like, what the hell?

Justin McMillen:

00;08;09;15 - 00;08;48;15

Landon McNamara:

What am I doing? This is selfish. Like, why I'm not really making that great of, like, it's not about money, that's for sure. Because it's not as great of money as people probably think. I'm from the surfing world. And okay, so this is basically a personal, selfish thing. That's kind of is what it is. It really is when you're getting into those big waves, it's, it is for the feeling and it is for kind of it's where I'm able to conquer demons, basically, in a weird way, that might sound dramatic, but that's like, I don't know where I get to test myself.

Justin McMillen:

00;08;48;17 - 00;09;22;29

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Do you, so family was a huge part of it, but there was probably, was there other people that influenced you at a young age that you were around. Yeah, yeah. Growing up on the North Shore, it's our, our our heroes, our surfers, you know, our and our, our water people. During I mean, there's been a bunch of people who inspired me, but I was always, more driven towards idolizing, like, these guys that were just doing it for the glory, you know, like, all the old school cats and whatnot.

Justin McMillen:

00;09;23;01 - 00;09;41;03

Landon McNamara:

Was there one that just stands out that, I mean, I want to put you on the spot because you might forget someone. Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, there's there's a few, but not like I was always in the more the soul surfer kind of guys, you know, like, I looked up to Jerry for it. I looked honestly, I looked up to whoever my dad looked up to.

Justin McMillen:

00;09;41;03 - 00;10;08;24

Landon McNamara:

You know, that's how it was at first. And then through through discovering myself. There's been other anyone that's goofy foot and surfs big waves. And then there's there's a few guys, but I don't wanna get into too many names. Yeah, yeah, of course it was more so what, the type of surfers they were, it wasn't as these guys just going on freaking crazy missions and conquering these new big waves.

Justin McMillen:

00;10;08;24 - 00;10;27;10

Landon McNamara:

I don't know, it seemed like, it's like a real if you're like, a pirate or an adventurer, you know, like, it's it's pretty cool. So when you're, when you're like 13, 14 years old and you're surfing, by the way it is, and is anyone that young ever, I'm sure. I mean, I know like John John was out.

Justin McMillen:

00;10;27;13 - 00;10;47;04

Landon McNamara:

He might have done a pipe contest the same age as me, but it was it was martial, all the circumstances. It was a it was as big as pipe get. And I was like, I wasn't in the limelight of like, it was just like, well, no one knew who the hell I was or whatever, you know? So the circumstances were different.

Justin McMillen:

00;10;47;04 - 00;11;10;07

Landon McNamara:

But, there's there's been people. Yeah, there's been people that. And I'd say if you're charging hard between 13 and 16, that's kind of like, there's been people that have done it before, but it's a rare class of people because it kind of comes down to also like, why are your bodies at that time, too? I happened to kind of now looking back, it doesn't seem like it.

Justin McMillen:

00;11;10;07 - 00;11;28;16

Landon McNamara:

I looked like a little squirt, but in my mind I was ten foot taller. Eddie, I don't know. I felt strong and I was hitting puberty already, so yeah, I was able to do things that I look at 13 year olds and I'm like, Holy crap, what I was doing at your age, I hope you're not doing because you look way too young.

Justin McMillen:

00;11;28;16 - 00;11;55;13

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, yeah, me too young to be doing that. You know, I think it was just a different era. So I agree. Yeah, I think that's true. I think also, I remember before I met you and I was talking to Pat, about you, he, he brought up to me that he said that you had, one of the most powerful kicks that he'd ever felt before, which was crazy to come from him because he's working with so many fighters.

Justin McMillen:

00;11;55;13 - 00;12;12;20

Landon McNamara:

He's he's always, hyping hyped up my kick. But he's never told me that. So I'm that. Yeah. I mean, I think it's recorded, right. It's it's on. But he said that to me and he was like, no, it's, it's he goes, it doesn't matter what land it never got into is happened that he grew up on the North Shore and he surfs.

Justin McMillen:

00;12;12;22 - 00;12;46;09

Landon McNamara:

But just that you're, you're really gifted physically, you know. Thank you. Yeah. I definitely feel like I have the kind of. I got that natural connection to certain things and whatnot, and it's, still something that needs to be guided and looked after and trained and all of that. But it also, I just I started at a young age and I really I did put in I like to I forget sometimes the amount of work I put in, you know, even even on like the, like the kick and whatnot.

Justin McMillen:

00;12;46;09 - 00;13;06;28

Landon McNamara:

Like there was a moment in time where you're training so freaking hard, like twice a day, every day, plus surfing, like we were training like I'm an MMA fighters and whatnot, and I, I never took it anywhere. But, you know, it didn't. It doesn't come out of nowhere. There was hard work put behind certain aspects like, yeah, dude, you you do.

Justin McMillen:

00;13;06;28 - 00;13;25;20

Landon McNamara:

You put a lot of. So I didn't say it in the beginning, but I mean and we'll talk about it. Your recent winning of the Eddie, placing you in, as far as I see it, the top big wave surfer on planet Earth at the moment, which is an amazing thing to be able to say. And look at you.

Justin McMillen:

00;13;25;23 - 00;13;57;18

Landon McNamara:

I know you might go, well, there's, you know, and there are people. Right. But, I think a lot of people would agree with me, but do you how much is you managing your physicality, part of your performance? Are you like one of those guys who can just go out and there's both sides of it, and I think, I think I can rely on a lot of the past effort that I put in that will carry me through, whether I'm like saying, like, right now I've been on tour, but if there's a and I have not been like on my grind of I haven't surfed in like a month, pretty much, you know what

Justin McMillen:

00;13;57;19 - 00;14;28;16

Landon McNamara:

I mean? But I can guarantee you if it's, say, there's some 30ft swell or something, I saw like an immense I would go out and and perform still, you know, and that's relying off of past the amount of work I've put in in the past. But when I get the opportunity, like going into winter time, I'm working extra hard to, to make sure I'm fit and ready for whatever's coming, because I've gone through my fair share of injuries and back surgery and stuff like that to where I have to do a little extra now.

Justin McMillen:

00;14;28;18 - 00;14;49;21

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, sure. But at the drop of a hat, I know I can go out and I'll be good. Yeah. Either way, how much of that do you think is learned from surfing all the time versus just genetics and being born the way you're born. I think it's a good combination of both. Yeah I definitely feel like it was in my blood.

Justin McMillen:

00;14;49;21 - 00;15;16;13

Landon McNamara:

Like it's a weird thing I don't a lot of people don't know like McNamara means son of a clown. So somewhere, somewhere in our lineage, like we asked people. Yeah. And I do feel like there's a genetic thing there and maybe a mental thing or whatever, but you can't, like. Like, what's the saying? Hard work beats talent. Always, you know, and but if you get both of those and you, that's when amazing things happen.

Justin McMillen:

00;15;16;15 - 00;15;43;03

Landon McNamara:

And. Yeah. Do you have a good relationship with discipline? Yeah, yeah. But my whole thing has been consistency. You know, like, I can be very disciplined, but then I can also. Be very not and switch like that, you know. But I do get into my I can be a very disciplined person and I'm going to I'm an extremist in that sense.

Justin McMillen:

00;15;43;03 - 00;16;12;07

Landon McNamara:

Like when it's time to be all in, I can be all in, you know, I just it's a, it's a everything's that I can flip that switch, you know. Yeah. You know, I've, I've seen you train really hard. I've seen your body transform from one place to another. And I was, Yeah. It was funny. I was talking to, you asked me about that trip to Hawaii recently, and John Jones was there, and we were talking about he was like, hey, Jim, do you have ideas about this and that around different workout stuff?

Justin McMillen:

00;16;12;07 - 00;16;29;26

Landon McNamara:

And I was like, how's your discipline? And then I was like, you know, I think it's because he's, you know, he's he's living his best life, right? Yeah. You know, but I think that's a key to so many things, right? You have to be you had to be consistent and disciplined. In order to really to really grow.

Justin McMillen:

00;16;30;00 - 00;16;53;03

Landon McNamara:

But there's also people that just know you just. And that is it. Yeah. I know exactly what you're saying. That you just it's that certain ness and cockiness that it'll carry you through sometimes. But I do feel it doesn't come from nowhere. Still, like, even if you're looking at this person and you're like, oh, they're how the hell are they so good?

Justin McMillen:

00;16;53;03 - 00;17;21;07

Landon McNamara:

They're not they're not locked in and they're still smoking. But I guarantee you, at some point in their life they were next level discipline and if you were able to get work that hard and get to that certain place before you can mentally go back there sometimes, you know, I think also, Lynn and I it's another thing I think about sometimes is so I'm like, I'm a pretty inspired person.

Justin McMillen:

00;17;21;07 - 00;17;35;15

Landon McNamara:

I think you're similar. And if I'm inspired, it's doesn't feel like discipline. Yeah. It's like if you're in the water eight hours a day surfing because you love it and you don't want to get out, it's hard to call that discipline. Exactly. But if you do that for five years, you're in super good shape and you're very well trained.

Justin McMillen:

00;17;35;15 - 00;17;50;28

Landon McNamara:

Right? So you're just not you're not crediting it to being doing things you don't want to do. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's that's that's how I try to go about it. Even when it comes to the time where I gotta get back into working out hard. Like I just tell myself, like, you can hate it or you can love it.

Justin McMillen:

00;17;50;28 - 00;18;12;14

Landon McNamara:

Either way, it's getting done. Sometimes we'll figure out how to love it. Because once you love it, then, then it's all, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So here you are. You're 13 years old. North Shore. All these things are coming together. You've got the genetics for it. Your fate, your family name at school, that, that ties in, you live in the right place.

Justin McMillen:

00;18;12;16 - 00;18;33;06

Landon McNamara:

You're in the ocean all the time. You got the right family situation that's exposing you to this. You're not afraid while you're young and not aware of me. And then now you're surfing pipe and and you're young. So how does that show up in the community or people, like, is this guy going to be the next thing?

Justin McMillen:

00;18;33;06 - 00;19;07;25

Landon McNamara:

Like, how are people relating to you? I don't know, like it's it's I don't know how people are looking at us at that time because we aren't we're a pretty gnarly little bunch of kids doing a lot of punk shit and honestly, like, and even my dad would say it too, and I don't like trying to, like, talking negatively or whatever, but he would say it to like, we growing up as a MacNamara, you're kind of already like, blackballed in a certain and within the industry, in a sense, not completely, but at that time, you know, like, it's a it's a different spot now.

Justin McMillen:

00;19;07;25 - 00;19;29;07

Landon McNamara:

And I'm sad because my dad's getting the recognition for being the man he actually is, but he is, very freaking loud and call people out on their shit and being a holy boy in Hawaii doing that stuff like it wasn't they didn't have a he had a lot of people that love them and a lot of people that hated him, you know, because you did you experience that too?

Justin McMillen:

00;19;29;11 - 00;19;49;11

Landon McNamara:

They were sure stuff. And I mean, like, not not racial, but no, I mean, a little bit in a sense, like I am, man. I'm like, I have like, for instance, I remember like I hated Puckett growing up, but I thought, like, I need to learn how to like this because I'll be more hot. I want to be I want to be Hawaiian, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

00;19;49;15 - 00;20;06;02

Landon McNamara:

And stuff like that. Like, I think the Hawaii is one of the main places you grew up, not Hawaiian. You. For me, I wanted to be high in the whole time. Like, that's why I'm idolizing these guys are. And there's a certain sense of like. I'll never have the blood inside of me, but I'll carry the spirit with me.

Justin McMillen:

00;20;06;03 - 00;20;30;02

Landon McNamara:

Do you know, like that's. And the real one that I connect with? Can feel that, too, you know, I don't know. That's where I took my first breath. And that's the culture I connect with and idolize with. Like, if you're telling me to go back home somewhere, that's that's why that's where I'd be going, you know, but I didn't.

Justin McMillen:

00;20;30;04 - 00;20;51;17

Landon McNamara:

I experienced, like, really racial stuff and stuff like that because I had a good mix of friends, Hawaiian and not that, we all were just kids. But from my dad's standpoint, I feel like his our name in the community, like growing up, you, he had a he had to fight for everything he had, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

00;20;51;17 - 00;21;13;27

Landon McNamara:

He carried that for a long time, and for sure, I mean, we'd we'd be out in the lineup and, like, he's given, he's making sure we're getting we're on every single set and pissing everyone off and whatnot. And he's always getting an argument and blah, blah, blah. But it all came from a place of like, man, I worked a lot to get here, and I'm not letting anyone take it away from me, and I'm going to share it with my family too.

Justin McMillen:

00;21;13;27 - 00;21;31;09

Landon McNamara:

And if not, like, fuck you, I fight for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it all came from a place of love. But at that time, I think definitely the McNamara's as a as like for me, for my dad was like, these guys are kind of punks. Sure. But we were doing our own punky shit, too. It wasn't anything to do with him.

Justin McMillen:

00;21;31;13 - 00;21;50;28

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, yeah, I like that idea, though. Like, there's something really beautiful about your father going out and saying, like it or not, I'm here. And if you have a problem with this, I will. I will roll around on the sand with you if I have to, like. Yeah, whatever it takes. That's the whole thing is he's a very like.

Justin McMillen:

00;21;50;28 - 00;22;11;07

Landon McNamara:

You've had conversations, I'm sure, where you're like, well, like, don't fucking. This tone is getting a little irritating, you know what I mean? He talks like, very, but he knows what he's talking about a lot of the time. And that's what people would get pissed off about it. He knew the rulebook from front to back for like, more than anybody for the for the surfing competitions at the time.

Justin McMillen:

00;22;11;07 - 00;22;30;09

Landon McNamara:

So he'd get pissed off when he knew the wrong shit was happening and he, would get loud and stand up for it. And it would rub a lot of people the wrong way. But it was because he was honestly a lot smarter than a lot of. And a weird. But yeah, the presentation was very aggressive for sure.

Justin McMillen:

00;22;30;11 - 00;22;50;13

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, he's a big personality. He's a major. I think he's a complicated dude and he's got a big personality. Yeah, he's got his own shit. Yeah, like everyone does, but we all do for sure. Yeah, yeah. So that's so. Oh, man. There's so many different things here. It's all good. We got time. I know, it's it's so cool.

Justin McMillen:

00;22;50;15 - 00;23;13;18

Landon McNamara:

Your your whole situation. So you and we're going to, we're going to go up to. So you are you, you're competing all the way up through high school at age 16, 18. Yeah. I mean, I was, I was always in the, surf contest, but I always sucked. My older brother was my older brother always. Shane. You saw it in competition?

Justin McMillen:

00;23;13;18 - 00;23;40;01

Landon McNamara:

I was never the contest guy, but I was always there showing up, doing, wanting to be a professional surfer. But. Yeah, from a young that high school kind of age, I realized, like, I don't think I'm this surfer championship rapper kind of guy. I like big waves. And I was like, oh, I already had somebody to idolize in the family about that.

Justin McMillen:

00;23;40;01 - 00;24;05;06

Landon McNamara:

Like my Uncle Garrett was from a young age, kind of molding and helping me and his son out to follow in his footsteps as well. So, yeah, well, I was doing contests at a young age, never really connected with it, never really did too well. And big wave surfing is something that big wave surfing and pipeline were the things that resonated with me more.

Justin McMillen:

00;24;05;08 - 00;24;27;04

Landon McNamara:

I felt like, that's what I wanted to do. That's what those were the guys I idolized and where I found my deepest connection with with ocean. How old are you? Right in that 13. Oh, no. How old are you now? Oh, right now I'm 28 years old right now at 28. And you've seen enough stuff now to get a sense of.

Justin McMillen:

00;24;27;06 - 00;24;49;02

Landon McNamara:

And, another thing about you is you're you're really, you're really smart, dude. And that'll come out more here when we start talking about the music that you do. But when it comes to the patterns that you've seen, like, you know, everybody that surfs big waves, you know, you know, the guys that are into the contests that are doing everything, you know, is there.

Justin McMillen:

00;24;49;04 - 00;25;13;25

Landon McNamara:

What is the common thing? What are the elements that make up the best big wave surfers in your mind? What have you learned in 28 years about this? I got that question. I kind of recently someone was asking something along the lines and it I don't know about key key things. I mean, I definitely and it's an overused concept, but like Adrenaline Junkie, that's a part of it.

Justin McMillen:

00;25;13;25 - 00;25;34;09

Landon McNamara:

Possibly. But I think it's bigger than that. That's not doing it justice. You know, it's like there is a part of that. And so I, see a lot of extreme athletes go extreme in every aspect of their life. I don't I don't really know what the characteristics is. I know, is there a spiritual side to it?

Justin McMillen:

00;25;34;09 - 00;25;57;22

Landon McNamara:

I do definitely see a spiritual side to it. And it's like you're going to see God and it's in his rise form in the ocean, you know, and like it's one of those it's bigger than me, you know? But I get to be a part of it. I don't got a clear good answer for this question. I just whatever it is, I got it to.

Justin McMillen:

00;25;57;24 - 00;26;20;03

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm curious about that. Those ads you said that you said the thing about like, I've got the Hawaiian spirit or the you have a look, in your eye, that is, I see with people who are raised there, whether you're got Hawaiian blood or not. And I don't know if it comes from being in the water all the time or if it comes from the culture or what it is.

Justin McMillen:

00;26;20;03 - 00;26;44;26

Landon McNamara:

But there's like, I'm perceptive of people and you have a thing. It's a little bit of like a wild, like a, like a not civil. It's a weird thing to say, but not a civilized like like like a primal like. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you really break down what, what it is to be a surfer and the amount of time you're out there and you're spending a lot of time with nature, you're spending a lot of time in your mind.

Justin McMillen:

00;26;44;26 - 00;27;08;27

Landon McNamara:

You're spending a lot of time almost like kind of. Yeah. You're living the life of, like, a guru, but you don't even realize it. The amount of time you're putting in in the ocean and being with nature and being with there's kind of in this meditative place, I don't know, maybe it molds you into being a little more in tune in a sense.

Justin McMillen:

00;27;08;27 - 00;27;32;09

Landon McNamara:

Maybe not. But I don't know. I'm, I'm I'm super fascinated by surfers and surfing as, Is something that humans do. And I'll tell you why. And I haven't quite, like, figured out how to talk about this yet, so I'm going to fumble through it. But yeah, I think, you know, people talking about, like, you just got to go with the flow in life and trust the universe, right?

Justin McMillen:

00;27;32;09 - 00;27;48;16

Landon McNamara:

You hear that kind of thing and you hear other people like, you got to be discipline. You got to work hard. And there's like these different parts, right? So it's like, if you go with the flow and you're not trying at all, then you're just floating around. You're not going anywhere. If you're too disciplined, then you're rigid.

Justin McMillen:

00;27;48;16 - 00;28;11;14

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And you don't. And it seems like surfers have figured out a way. Like riding waves is a way to combine all of these ideas, because you have the forces of nature that you can't control, which is the energy of the wave. Then you have you, the decision maker, like out there, and then you have a choice to to either choose to try to ride a wave or not.

Justin McMillen:

00;28;11;14 - 00;28;29;27

Landon McNamara:

Right. This is so it's like if God or the universe is giving you these different opportunities, that's the waves, that's energy. You don't get to control the energy. You certainly can't be like, I'm going to take whatever one I want and I'm going to do it however I want. But the more skilled you are at life or surfing, the more you can have fun doing that.

Justin McMillen:

00;28;29;27 - 00;28;54;04

Landon McNamara:

And you can. You can even smile and be happy and find joy when all of these things come together like like energy. You know, putting yourself out there, being able to turn and manipulate the forces of nature and you're to your benefit. Right. And then and then love it and be happy, like, all right, that's so it's similar, similar thoughts all the time.

Justin McMillen:

00;28;54;04 - 00;29;16;00

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. I like how you put it though. But it's complicated. Yeah. It is. It's not a simple thing, but I don't know it. Yeah. For me I love, like the, the saying like the heart. The harder I work, the luckier I got. And like, pray for potatoes I grab the whole or faith. Faith without works is dead, you know.

Justin McMillen:

00;29;16;00 - 00;29;37;08

Landon McNamara:

Sure that's there is the discipline part. That's you putting in the time and effort. But then I do believe in the spiritual side of things. So we're like, the more I put myself out there, the more blessings come. And I don't really know if it doesn't relate to exactly what you're talking about. The waves just now, but it's sparked off.

Justin McMillen:

00;29;37;10 - 00;30;18;07

Landon McNamara:

That's what I think about that a lot. Like because I do believe in the spiritual side of life 100%, and the universe and God. What? Whatever you want to break it down to. But you got to meet him halfway. Yeah. You know, I'll tell you, there's not. I mean, I could be talking to a super successful business person or an athlete or in a different discipline or an artist, and they all the ones that are the best have given, like, enough respect to the fact that there's some other force that they're harnessing, or that they're channeling or that they're tapping into in order to accomplish their goals.

Justin McMillen:

00;30;18;07 - 00;30;40;07

Landon McNamara:

Even like a gnarly CEO is like, you got to go with your intuition. You got to listen, what am I supposed to do next year? It's almost like they're out in the lineup reading the waves. It's just people use different words to describe it, but it's all the same. There's that same component to like the spiritual side of like, yeah, some people are practicing it and they don't even realize it.

Justin McMillen:

00;30;40;07 - 00;31;01;09

Landon McNamara:

And I think that's why it's working out for them, whether they realize it or not. Yeah, I think about this all the time. There's like, and I know people who, who are really unaware like that. When you said to 13, you don't know the dangers. There's also there's like this huge benefit to being ignorant and just not knowing that you can't do something.

Justin McMillen:

00;31;01;09 - 00;31;20;03

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. You know, and then you watch people just the moment you realize it's wrong, that's when you fuck. Yeah. Because then you can't do it no more. Yeah. No. Exactly. You can. Yeah. The ignorance is. Yeah. I feel like the universe knows intention knows heart, you know what I mean? And if you're doing because I did that for a long time too, I was like, how?

Justin McMillen:

00;31;20;06 - 00;31;42;25

Landon McNamara:

How the heck do I do so much stuff that I'm not stoked on that I did in my past and my life worked on a beautiful way, and I break it down to like, as if you're looking at the things objectively, maybe. And wasn't the coolest, smartest things at that time in my life. But like where my heart was, I, my intentions were always pure.

Justin McMillen:

00;31;42;25 - 00;32;06;04

Landon McNamara:

Whether it's like whether you can see. Right. Yeah, I don't know, I didn't. Yeah. You know, what I'm trying to say is, you know, that my heart was always good. You know, whether. And it's hard to say that because, it's through the course of, like, a life of addiction. You do some crazy shit, you know, that you don't want to stand by.

Justin McMillen:

00;32;06;04 - 00;32;31;08

Landon McNamara:

But my life worked out, I feel like, because at the end of the day, my heart stayed pure and my intentions have been good. But yeah, that. Yeah. You're fucked. Once you once you realize what you're doing is wrong, then that's when you got to change it. Yeah. Know. Do you, do you know that everybody. So I've been in several conversations with people about you and you weren't there just people talking about you and that every.

Justin McMillen:

00;32;31;11 - 00;32;52;18

Landon McNamara:

I've never heard anything other than what you just said, which is that you're he has a beautiful heart, like, yeah, this is going on with him right now. And but like, nobody even people who are get upset with you, you're like, gosh, it's like you just know that this man has, like, something really special about him. He give you the shirt off his back.

Justin McMillen:

00;32;52;20 - 00;33;11;25

Landon McNamara:

Why does he do this? You know, this is a long time ago, but, like, you know, it's you're known for that, you know? Oh, that's like, awesome thing to know. Yeah. I just want to be, I want to I want to be a good person, you know? You want to, like, that's all of my goals in life.

Justin McMillen:

00;33;11;25 - 00;33;32;17

Landon McNamara:

I tried it like, I have my selfish reasons to want to do things and accomplish things, but it's also just as important I want to accomplish these things because I want to be able to do something frickin good for the world to. Why can't we do something good for me and good for the world. Yeah. You can I think you can.

Justin McMillen:

00;33;32;17 - 00;33;53;08

Landon McNamara:

I think that's, I think it's really easy to just do something good for the world. You know you can always find anywhere to go and just work for free and do something. And there's also you can be really selfish and just accomplish and step on everyone. But if you can marry those things in life, that's really that's the very special life.

Justin McMillen:

00;33;53;15 - 00;34;21;00

Landon McNamara:

That's the really and that's, that's a that's like food for me. I think about that all the time. And, and so yeah. So you're, you're served and then music comes into the picture. Yeah. How old were you when you picked up a guitar and started like, I had done a couple guitar lessons when I like. So in elementary school, we had a music program, and I was introduced to music at a young age, but never stuck with that.

Justin McMillen:

00;34;21;02 - 00;34;43;00

Landon McNamara:

Did a few guitar lessons and whatnot around like ten years old, but I just didn't really latch on to it until like around 15 years old, I had I had this friend staying at her house and he is this had a beautiful voice, had guitar skills, and you'd pick up a guitar and sing through songs that we were actually, listening to and songs we liked.

Justin McMillen:

00;34;43;00 - 00;35;06;15

Landon McNamara:

And once I realized that I could actually just I didn't have to learn music theory, I could just start to learn the songs I like to play. That opened up my love for it, because I wasn't I. I'm still learning music theory. I just got interested in learning it because I never really had to. It was all by feeling, but yeah, 15 years old.

Justin McMillen:

00;35;06;15 - 00;35;26;13

Landon McNamara:

I had a friend that was a good musician, and he got me into playing music, just learning songs. He like, like to play. And then from there I just got him. Yeah. When I get super into something, I get really infatuated within it. I'll take over in a sense. And that's what the guitar was for me. I was like, I don't remember what came first.

Justin McMillen:

00;35;26;13 - 00;35;46;27

Landon McNamara:

If I was idolizing these musicians already, or if I picked up the instrument and then started idolizing, but it came to a point. Or either way, I ended up it ended up with me being in our little dungeon at my house with posters up all across the laws of it was just Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix. Those are my two guys and I just practice for hours and hours and hours.

Justin McMillen:

00;35;46;27 - 00;36;19;12

Landon McNamara:

And then it came to a point where I was like, okay, I'm gonna play it, play for my friends more. And then I'd get feedback. And overall feedback was it's pretty good. Do you sing into or just. Yeah, just just, yeah, I'd sing songs and play guitar that was starting off with other people's songs and then turning into, like being a young kid, kind of whatever we were doing, maybe partying a little bit and then messing around and but then getting good reactions from my friends and just gaining more confidence with that.

Justin McMillen:

00;36;19;15 - 00;36;55;08

Landon McNamara:

Anyway. Yeah, 15 years old is kind of when I dived into guitar songwriting and stuff like that. And then that journey. Of me just kind of really dialing in the craft and being infatuated with that lasted a few years until I was ready to, like, start going to open mic nights and stuff like that. Yeah. And then right out the gate, I already had like a couple albums worth of songs that I had already made, just because I was a very emotional teenager, and I had a lot to say.

Justin McMillen:

00;36;55;12 - 00;37;14;16

Landon McNamara:

So a lot of hurt, a lot of joys, a lot of whatever. So right out the gate, when it was time that I hit my first recording studio, I already had like a couple albums worth of songs and just worked out to where right out the gate, I was like, okay, I think I meant, I meant to do this.

Justin McMillen:

00;37;14;16 - 00;37;34;09

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. You know, what's interesting about you too is you're not like this. Look at me, guy. You know what I mean? Like, if anyone knows you, it's like you're not like, you're definitely a performer. And you put on a really amazing show. If you haven't seen Man in Live yet, you need to do that. Yeah. For sure.

Justin McMillen:

00;37;34;12 - 00;37;51;12

Landon McNamara:

But, yeah, you're not like, look at me. I mean, you're kind of quiet and more. So when you were playing, was it because that certainly wasn't like, yeah, check me out. I don't think that's. Does it seem like you. It's it's both. That's that's the thing. Like when I was me sober, it was me more like timid and whatnot.

Justin McMillen:

00;37;51;14 - 00;38;16;28

Landon McNamara:

That's what I think was my whole reason why I like, got so deep into partying is because that's when I was like, I would turn into this kind of like, look at me do it. And I was more, more comfortable in a sense, or I was out of my shell a bit, especially for, for, for performing purposes. But yeah, me as my like, levelheaded being.

Justin McMillen:

00;38;17;00 - 00;38;35;13

Landon McNamara:

I just, I want to let the the music speak I don't yeah. All the other stuff is like I'll do those parts to like, it's a different world to try and make a music career happen nowadays, you got to be your own kind of another shit. I still fight back on, but yeah, I want to make it work, so I'll do all the parts.

Justin McMillen:

00;38;35;15 - 00;38;54;21

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you. I think I told you this before, but I so I was listening your music before, quite a while before I met you. It was like a common thing in my house. You know, my wife listened to it. The kids had heard all your music before we actually met, and. And I told my wife.

Justin McMillen:

00;38;54;23 - 00;39;14;23

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. So I grew up listening to Bob, right. Like a lot of people did, and I was really into them. I mean, a young in fact, my first concert I went to was Reggae Sun Splash, which was like, it's a tribute to Bob Marley. It's all those kids or whatever they put it on. Every year since a year after he died, and my first one I went to, I ended up backstage with Marsha Griffis.

Justin McMillen:

00;39;14;23 - 00;39;36;20

Landon McNamara:

She's where the ice cream is hanging out. And she kept saying, like, did you know him? I was like, I was like, that was like one when he died, you know, whatever. But I was obsessed and but I never really got into all kinds of reggae. I just there was something about him in the way that he sang, and just watching him, like, when he's on stage, it's like he's channeling, something.

Justin McMillen:

00;39;36;20 - 00;39;52;15

Landon McNamara:

Right? And then there's a spiritual side to it and it's just know it's haunting, like it's haunting in his voice and ghost so beautiful. And then it's got this character to it. And then then I heard you and I was like, this guy has this same thing. I told my wife, I'm like, he's going to blow up. He's hit me massive.

Justin McMillen:

00;39;52;18 - 00;40;08;22

Landon McNamara:

Before I ever met you. Which is crazy to be sitting. Yeah. I was like, he's going to be massive. You could ask Heather about it. I was like, I'm certain this, this quality or this trait doesn't exist in in very many people. It's like it's not just some pretty voice. It's not you have it that but it's not that.

Justin McMillen:

00;40;08;22 - 00;40;30;11

Landon McNamara:

It's not, you know, super like religious music or something like extreme reggae. It's not reggae with all kinds of horns and just it gets just too much. You, you carry this very, like, rootsy, very real, very, like powerful, sort of spirituals feeling in your voice, man. Like it's people who really know, and they know what I mean.

Justin McMillen:

00;40;30;11 - 00;40;49;23

Landon McNamara:

I guarantee even when it's heard, a lot of your music would say the same thing. And and I'm just I can't wait to see what's going to happen, because I know you're going to, once the world really grabs hold of your sound. Yeah. It's just it's just about how you where you take it, you know? Anyways, that was my, I sorry.

Justin McMillen:

00;40;49;23 - 00;41;10;08

Landon McNamara:

I went on a little tangent there, but I'm a huge fan of your music and have been for since before I met you. So you're you're recording and you're you've you said you're an emotional teenager, so you get a lot of stuff out. Yeah. How what is writing like for you? How do you come up with all this stuff?

Justin McMillen:

00;41;10;10 - 00;41;30;28

Landon McNamara:

A lot of it's personal experiences. I got to kind of be charged, like, I. I like working the craft, too. So whenever, like, I try to just write even when I'm not inspired or pick up the guitar, even when I'm not inspired to. So when I'm ready, you know, I got more to pull from, like, more skill to pull from, I guess.

Justin McMillen:

00;41;30;28 - 00;41;53;01

Landon McNamara:

But are you, like, taking notes of stuff that you have in your laying them down and you're like certain it's crazy. Yeah. Certain times, like, one song can turn into an accumulation of maybe like three ideas from five years ago or one one. It's all weird how it ends up working out, but there's no really set, formula I have for songwriting.

Justin McMillen:

00;41;53;01 - 00;42;20;00

Landon McNamara:

It's just it's it's all based off inspiration, but I try not to like. You cannot just just wait for those moments. Do you got to be doing something in the meantime? So working the craft in the meantime. But other than that, I can start with a cool line or a melody, or it can be me sitting down with my guitar, or it can be a a track that was already made.

Justin McMillen:

00;42;20;00 - 00;42;39;29

Landon McNamara:

But for those first two albums, my first introduction into the recording and whatnot, it was just me, my acoustic guitar, and I didn't write shit. It was all at that. I think my memory got a little little rock through the years, but at that time I didn't have to write anything down. I really didn't write anything down, and it was just my whole mindset as well.

Justin McMillen:

00;42;39;29 - 00;43;05;25

Landon McNamara:

If I don't remember it, it probably wasn't a good song. So just it was a lot of free flowing, this energy. But there, when I really do look back, I remember certain times of like I would sentence I was super into lyrics, I was super into live performers, I was super, I did study a lot. I would at that time when I would lock myself away and like, I was just into the music.

Justin McMillen:

00;43;06;00 - 00;43;31;27

Landon McNamara:

I remember certain times, like studying song structure and taking it upon myself to learn. Like what? What makes this a good song? What are the key? How do you write a song? Okay, there's a few different ways that are the normal ways to do it. And. There were a lot of time and effort put in, but then at the end end result, it was just free flowing kind of whatever I was feeling.

Justin McMillen:

00;43;32;00 - 00;43;52;08

Landon McNamara:

But I feel like if you don't put in the effort to work the craft, then you don't have anything to work with, you know? Yeah, you wait for those moments, but in the meantime, you stand on top of the skill so you have more to pull from the bag. You know, like, I don't know. Do you feel like, do you feel like it comes the music comes through you or from you both?

Justin McMillen:

00;43;52;08 - 00;44;20;02

Landon McNamara:

Both. There's some stuff I look like back on my. I don't know how I thought about that. You know, I feel like it's kind of pulling from pull in from everybody and from I can like, envision. And then a portal, you know what I mean? You're like, yeah, gathering stuff and, when you're writing something, how do you know that it's right?

Justin McMillen:

00;44;20;03 - 00;44;51;05

Landon McNamara:

How do you make a decision? How do you. Yeah, I don't it's a hard question where it's like. And that's something I, try to reconnect with, like the original reasons I started a music in the first place. Because along the way, along the way, when you start finding success and turns into a career and stuff like that, like that success trap type of thing or.

Justin McMillen:

00;44;51;07 - 00;45;07;23

Landon McNamara:

You don't want to fucking think about why it works or what works. You want to think about how does it feel? You know what I mean? And it's hard to get there sometimes when you start getting wrapped into that other crap that it is so like, okay, well, this is me. This is what works. And I'm like, no, don't, don't do that.

Justin McMillen:

00;45;07;23 - 00;45;30;18

Landon McNamara:

Just do whatever feels good. You know, at the end of the day, it's all feeling. It's like, yeah, there are words that words and lyrics and stuff that people are attracted to and attached to. But like. If I don't make you feel anything, it doesn't mean much. It's it's all based off feeling. Well, what's what's his name? The producer with the beard.

Justin McMillen:

00;45;30;21 - 00;45;49;15

Landon McNamara:

Rick Rubin. Rick Rubin. Right. Like that's his whole thing. And there's nobody that has more fame. I mean, I've worked with more people that have been successful. And his process, like how he talks about it, is just, you don't write for anyone. You write for you. Yeah. And it's like, how do we find the purest version of whatever it is we're trying to say?

Justin McMillen:

00;45;49;21 - 00;46;10;08

Landon McNamara:

It's funny because I remember my first. Anyway, at the beginning of my career, we were doing something for some PR, and, they're asking me, oh, who do you make your music for? I was like, honestly, it's like a message to myself like it? And I remember getting a shitty response when I said that, like, they're like, oh, you're like a mathematics music for himself.

Justin McMillen:

00;46;10;08 - 00;46;28;10

Landon McNamara:

Like, kind of almost teasing me in a sense. I was like. And I pushed me off of that idea for a while until I kind of. I seen that video surfaced. I was like, yeah, man, that that is what it is. And and it is, it's it's my experience is and it's kind of a message to myself a lot of times I'm not trying to preach to other people as much as I'm like, this is shit.

Justin McMillen:

00;46;28;10 - 00;46;52;08

Landon McNamara:

I'm going through and I gotta work on as well, it's just as much for me as it is for you. Yeah, yeah. And if you I really believe that human beings, if they can get to the most pure, unobstructed parts of who they are, that it's always beautiful. Like, I think if you watch an actor have a feeling on a film or it's like the purer it is and it's got to be just you, it's got to be an original thing.

Justin McMillen:

00;46;52;08 - 00;47;08;17

Landon McNamara:

And Rick Rubin is, we got to figure out a way to get you to work with him. I would love to. One of these days. I know, I trust, I trust. Yeah, I would, yeah, I think you're kind of the perfect, perfect person for him. So hopefully you'll hear this and then maybe that something will come of that.

Justin McMillen:

00;47;08;17 - 00;47;34;24

Landon McNamara:

But you spending time with him and bringing out different songs will be. That'll be cool. That'll be a step. Yeah, yeah. You got to call me and tell me how it goes. Yeah, I want to hear about it. I like that guy a lot. Yeah. Me too. Me too. I like the whole concept that it's a weird thing when you're talking about authenticity and whatnot, because that is, I feel like as an artist of any form that's like your superpower is your fingerprint.

Justin McMillen:

00;47;34;24 - 00;47;56;11

Landon McNamara:

You're your true self, who you are. But then it's crazy too, because authenticity is just kind of an accumulation of a bunch of other people's stuff that you idolize as well. You know, it, it's it's weird. And that's the whole collective consciousness kind of thing. Yeah. That's true. I mean, it is like because we're we're just we're sort of like a computer that's just getting programed with inputs.

Justin McMillen:

00;47;56;11 - 00;48;20;10

Landon McNamara:

Right? And then it creates us. But then we have our unique way that we synthesize all that. Yeah. And then we also have the way that we emote. And like I said, with you, with your voice and the way you move and everything, there's this, you have your own way. And you find that you you seem to I mean, what so some of your music, do you have a favorite?

Justin McMillen:

00;48;20;12 - 00;48;44;28

Landon McNamara:

I mean, some really silly question. Do you have a favorite song you've ever written? Or what's your. I like deep water. I like, I mean, last words, as always. And that one that it's a meaningful one. And then also did a lot for me as an artist, too. That was kind of when I jumped from like being just on the island to being more across the world.

Justin McMillen:

00;48;44;28 - 00;49;10;01

Landon McNamara:

I was what was with that time frame and that song. But I like deep water. I like glass words. I like, and then, I don't know, I'm even also to like the Wild Trip song is cool as well. It's it's like, that's. As of right now, those would be my top two. Yeah. You know, that are, that are released.

Justin McMillen:

00;49;10;01 - 00;49;29;24

Landon McNamara:

I have a bunch that I, that are unreleased that are my new favorite because I get sick of playing the same stuff over and over, you know what I mean? But, the Wild Ones trip is crazy because that's moving you in a different. There's a different sound there. Yeah. And that's why it's like, I. I never started off music wanting to be, like, just reggae.

Justin McMillen:

00;49;29;28 - 00;49;52;20

Landon McNamara:

It's just I come from Hawaii and the first producer I worked with is, solid reggae producer overall, and that's just kind of what came of it, you know, for the most part. But, like, oh, I don't want to be married to any genre or any sound. I just want to come through in my authentic self, no matter where, where it comes from.

Justin McMillen:

00;49;52;20 - 00;50;13;28

Landon McNamara:

And that the wild trip thing was cool because that's, more, more geared towards, like, my, my friends kind of sound and I'm, that's he's the producer on it and that's his sound. But that did a lot for my career in the last few years when I wasn't doing much, you know what I mean? So that's kind of at the moment.

Justin McMillen:

00;50;13;28 - 00;50;36;29

Landon McNamara:

That's the song that goes off the most when I'm playing it in the crowd, you know? So that's that's why too, I like when I'm playing. I like to, I like people moving or listening, you know, one or the other. Yeah. That you have there's also something about your music too. Is that some of the songs you don't realize until you sit down and listen to them how much meaning there is?

Justin McMillen:

00;50;36;29 - 00;50;53;12

Landon McNamara:

I didn't get that with deep water when I first heard it. Yeah, until later. And I was like, oh my God, like, oh yeah, same me. When I listen back, I'm like, oh, like I want it. Yeah, very easy to I wasn't overthinking anything. But then it, it worked out or it seems.

Justin McMillen:

00;50;53;15 - 00;51;27;16

Landon McNamara:

Like I knew what I was talking about. In a weird way, but, Yeah, the song is not about the ocean at all. Basically. Yeah. It's, but sometimes it takes me a while to even realize what a song is about. Yeah, the loss for words is very literal and just. It's beautiful. The the, I mean, that when I send it to tons of family members and different people who, you know, I mean, I don't know if you know this, but is, baby mama was actually in Vegas during that whole thing is.

Justin McMillen:

00;51;27;21 - 00;51;47;12

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And, I, I'm not sure that I should be talking about that. No. Yeah. I mean, we can cut out maybe that we had to do something with that. May come out, but. Yeah, but. Yeah, I mean, you're you're, Yeah, that one is as far as, like, just a contemporary idea that resonates with so many people.

Justin McMillen:

00;51;47;12 - 00;52;04;04

Landon McNamara:

And it's such an important thing. Like, what in the fuck are we doing? Yeah, in this country or worldwide. What are we doing? It's been, Yeah. I was like, it's a weird, weird one for me because I almost felt like after all that, I was like, who the fuck am I to like, speak on any of this shit?

Justin McMillen:

00;52;04;04 - 00;52;28;10

Landon McNamara:

You know what I mean? And it but then it. Yeah, well, I want to dive back into that kind of stuff too, because I was I don't know, there's, there's the part of me that just wants to make music that's going to make you whatever is going to make you feel good and like. And then even there's a part of me like, whatever's going to.

Justin McMillen:

00;52;28;13 - 00;52;49;24

Landon McNamara:

Continue me to keep growing. You know, you get into that mindset and that's probably not the best mindset to get in. But making that song made me realize like, oh, man, like people are yearning for something within music, within words, within lyrics, and like, I can be a vessel of that to so what do I want to be passionate about?

Justin McMillen:

00;52;49;24 - 00;53;06;02

Landon McNamara:

And I, I almost made me stand off a little bit because I was like, who the fuck am I here to like? You know, certain parts of me, I feel like I'm a piece of shit, you know what I mean? So it's like, who am I worthy to, like, try and be like, preaching this kind of stuff to people or or whatnot, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

00;53;06;02 - 00;53;33;18

Landon McNamara:

But I want to dive deeper into it and getting more into, like, I didn't realize how needed it was, you know, and was still yet to this day, I'll get messages about that song or just like what it's done for that specific person and help them get through this or that, and it's like people are still wanting that, wanting a real message and a genuine like, it's just it's a it's a lot to put yourself out like that.

Justin McMillen:

00;53;33;18 - 00;53;54;17

Landon McNamara:

You know, it's easier to just be like, oh, let's make a song that sounds good and this is, isn't that like really when he starts standing for stuff or getting real deep, it's like, that's when it gets a little, you're exposing your, Yeah. People love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. And people will want to scrutinize scrutinize you and.

Justin McMillen:

00;53;54;19 - 00;54;13;07

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, that's a it can be scary. They even with this podcast, it's like guys we're putting all these together and it's, you know, opinions start coming out and I trip out on podcast, every single time. I like where I'm ever evolving. You know what I mean? Or what I'm speaking about. And how I feel right now might not be how I feel in a few years, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

00;54;13;07 - 00;54;32;11

Landon McNamara:

And it's a trippy thought like, oh, some kids are going to be listening to this and maybe taking it for like word by word and like how I used to look at art artists interviews that I looked up to, you know, and it's like, I don't want to lead people wrong, but also I don't want to be scared, like, this is who I am right now.

Justin McMillen:

00;54;32;12 - 00;54;48;28

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. This is exactly. And it's a point in time, you know, we come back and do another one too, if you decide there's something different. Yeah, yeah. You want to do this. But as far as kids, certainly there's kids that really look up to you whether you believe that's a good thing or not. I mean, that's another.

Justin McMillen:

00;54;49;00 - 00;55;08;05

Landon McNamara:

But what kind of message would you give to kids who are coming up in surfing or coming up in music? Like what? What would you tell them? What's it good? What's good advice?

Justin McMillen:

00;55;08;07 - 00;55;11;15

Landon McNamara:

I mean.

Justin McMillen:

00;55;11;17 - 00;55;28;02

Landon McNamara:

There's a million different ways to make money. So if you're doing it for the money part, like if that's the main driving part, don't don't do it. Yeah, yeah. If you do it because you have a calling to it and you love it, you know, and if that turns out in success then awesome. It's not like you're going to be doing it either way.

Justin McMillen:

00;55;28;04 - 00;55;45;02

Landon McNamara:

You know that's kind of what it is for surfing. I'm for music is whether I turn out successful and either one, I'm going to be doing it either way because I frickin enjoy it and I love it. And I think that should be the basis of surfing and of music is like, no matter what how this turns out, I'm going to be doing it either way.

Justin McMillen:

00;55;45;04 - 00;56;09;17

Landon McNamara:

I don't know. You know, I think that's that's I don't think you'll ever change your mind on that advice. That's good advice. I think. Yeah, I think an artist has a it's like a calling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the money and the success and all that stuff like it will come and there's that part of it to nurture, to like you can be successful at these things, but don't let that.

Justin McMillen:

00;56;09;20 - 00;56;32;27

Landon McNamara:

Be the number one basis of it. You know, you can have that be a part of it. But I'm with you with record deals and that sort of thing. Like, I know that you have things on the horizon that are exciting. And I'm curious, have you decided what direction you want to go, that sort of thing? Are you looking for like one label to work with that, like really invest in you over a long period?

Justin McMillen:

00;56;32;27 - 00;56;54;08

Landon McNamara:

Or are you looking to do some collaborations or what do you want to do? Right. All different kind of stuff like my ideal situation, long run, is I want a compound at home where it's like we're just making cool music and I get to fly my friends out and artists out and whatever. I just got that compound to make music at, basically.

Justin McMillen:

00;56;54;10 - 00;57;02;09

Landon McNamara:

But yeah, I don't right now I'm just at a point where I'm like, I've never really given this my.

Justin McMillen:

00;57;02;12 - 00;57;42;01

Landon McNamara:

My all, in a sense. And I'm at a point where I'm wanting to see what that looks like. So I'm trying to I just want to see how good I can get in certain aspects, like I want to be a better performer on stage. I want to, let's see what kind of songs I still got in me and whatnot and see if if I actually work the craft and I do the extra parts and, and nurture the places that I neglected in the past, like I said, I want to see where that can take me, you know, and taking all the lessons learned and living them, for main goal.

Justin McMillen:

00;57;42;01 - 00;58;03;01

Landon McNamara:

Like, I just want to continue making stuff that feels good and playing it around the world like I want to be headlining festivals around the world. I want to be doing it with my friend and hopefully be able to, like, do some good shit alongside, you know, help people out. And yeah, I don't know, I don't got a super clear vision on it right now.

Justin McMillen:

00;58;03;01 - 00;58;21;20

Landon McNamara:

It's getting me out of bed every day is like, I want to be on see how how good I can get. And that's not the basis of like the art part. But that's like that athlete in me, you know, like just drives me to like, you see where I believe it can. I got a clear vision on what this looks like at its highest heights.

Justin McMillen:

00;58;21;20 - 00;58;36;27

Landon McNamara:

And, like, I'm pretty sure if I do this part of it, it's going to get there. So it's that's what's getting me, keeping me going in that part. But you've got to separate that from the art, too. It's not like the mechanical like, oh, how good can I be type of thing. How good a song can I make?

Justin McMillen:

00;58;36;29 - 00;58;57;11

Landon McNamara:

No. Like. That artist creative connection, whatever. Keep that a separate thing. But when I'm nurturing all the other parts, what does that look like combined? I don't. I don't know if that makes sense. It does. And I mean, you bring in talking about bringing people together too. I think that would be a very smart way to do it.

Justin McMillen:

00;58;57;11 - 00;59;18;03

Landon McNamara:

I mean, especially where you're from, imagine the energy to create good times and good music. What I'm saying, like, who's not going to want to come to Hawaii? Like, I genuinely love sharing. Like the aloha spirit and the energy of my home with people, you know? And like I feed off that because living out there, you can get jaded to it.

Justin McMillen:

00;59;18;03 - 00;59;48;25

Landon McNamara:

You know, it's like it's your everyday life. And then you bring someone in, you're like, whoa, like, I live in like a really frickin awesome place. And we get to live like a beautiful life. And when you bring people into that, every instills it, that flame inside of you. So yeah, no, music wise, that's a one. One of the cool goals is just having that compound at home that we're just we're making music that's elevating people's lives and we're having a good time doing it.

Justin McMillen:

00;59;48;29 - 00;59;56;23

Landon McNamara:

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Justin McMillen:

00;59;56;26 - 01;00;18;19

Landon McNamara:

You know, I, I'm, I create things and businesses and things like that. And when you're trying to do something like that, you get to look at what have you got done already and what are your advantages. And and if you were a born in Iowa and you were a good musician, and you wanted to have this vision for a compound in North Shore, you'd have to do all this work just to.

Justin McMillen:

01;00;18;27 - 01;00;48;14

Landon McNamara:

You couldn't even do it. You'd have to live a whole life. Yeah. Growing up and being around that. Right. So you actually have done far more of this than you've already accomplished a lot of it. It's just about getting a piece of property and then the money side. Right. But that'll that'll happen. Yeah. I mean there's like I know there's several people that are interested in there's also just there's there's certain steps to I also want to build my own career in my own name to a spot where I am a guy that you're going to pick up my call, you know, you're going to want to come out.

Justin McMillen:

01;00;48;19 - 01;01;05;16

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I can see you producing, making music. People like, I see someone in their 60s like, how did your career start? Oh, I went out to McNamara's property out. And and everyone knows it's like, oh, my God, you did that? Like, oh, yeah, I was out there hanging out with those guys. Like that whole experience.

Justin McMillen:

01;01;05;19 - 01;01;30;00

Landon McNamara:

That's what it is like. That's all. Life is a frickin experience, right? It's just like, I want to have an amazing one. Yeah, no, for lack of better words, it's like 56 Hope road, right? Like. Yeah. Bob's companion. Oh, cousin. My mom, my dad grew up on a commune. And like, my grandma. And I've heard stories of it through through, just the way they live their life.

Justin McMillen:

01;01;30;00 - 01;01;55;06

Landon McNamara:

And I was always kind of attached to certain aspects of it, you know what I mean? Not like the crazy, crazy sides of it, but the community and the beauty of, like, just. Communal living together and like, peace. And I could see it, man. I could see, like, rolling up to a place where it's like I got some walls because it's like you want to contain.

Justin McMillen:

01;01;55;06 - 01;02;11;22

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And then you get inside and, like, maybe it's nighttime and there's like a big fire and a bunch of people and it's like, who's here? And it's like, you got this guy from the UK who's like this upcoming. Yeah. And like, Holy shit, that guy is here too. And, and, and they got kids running around like, at night.

Justin McMillen:

01;02;11;22 - 01;02;38;17

Landon McNamara:

So that's a vessel to life, you know, like, basically I feed off that, like, I love. Being able to provide, like, a awesome experience or somebody that makes me, that fills me up, fills my cup, you know, and it feels like I'm doing something good. Yeah. I want to continue. That's one, one dream, one of them. But yeah, we got we got certain steps we got to take care of first.

Justin McMillen:

01;02;38;23 - 01;02;59;08

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, yeah. We're just it'll it'll come. Yeah it'll come. That's, This amazing. It's. Yeah I get I want to be invited. Yeah. For sure. Just be around all the incredible talented people. And it would just be. The thing is, with your background, it's going to be athletes. And so that's why I don't want it to be, like, even strictly music based.

Justin McMillen:

01;02;59;08 - 01;03;14;01

Landon McNamara:

It's just like I want to be I'm going to be that guy, you know, come, come, let's go have a life changing experience again. Yeah, yeah. I can see a bunch of guys like playing music and and suddenly it's like, we need this. We need to lay this down. So it's like, you go and open the studio. It's dark.

Justin McMillen:

01;03;14;01 - 01;03;33;17

Landon McNamara:

You like, open the door, turn the lights on. It's like, let's fucking do this. Let's be a part of it. Yeah. This being being a part of people doing is there, is there is there any. Sorry to cut you off. Is there any, musicians that you really want to do collaborations with right now? I mean, for sure, for sure there is.

Justin McMillen:

01;03;33;17 - 01;03;56;27

Landon McNamara:

But not like I'm kind of a person that I trust in the powers that be, you know? And it's like. When it's meant to happen, it'll happen, you know? So it's not even for like, you know, going in. I mean, growing up in the reggae world always like the marleys and stuff like that for sure, you know? But there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot more and a lot deeper.

Justin McMillen:

01;03;56;27 - 01;04;18;14

Landon McNamara:

But I, I wholeheartedly believe, like, especially since I'm putting myself in the music world so deeply and doing, doing all the parts like the ones I want to happen, they're going to happen. So it's we'll make it happen. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Is there is there anybody that's doing anything right now that it's really interesting to you that maybe isn't even in your DNA that you like or.

Justin McMillen:

01;04;18;17 - 01;04;27;28

Landon McNamara:

I mean, I really want his name. It's been playing at us all day, every day.

Justin McMillen:

01;04;28;01 - 01;04;49;27

Landon McNamara:

That guy's, from West Virginia or whatever. Yeah. The country, more countries, so I can I anyway. Golly, what can I think of it when I have to look it up? Yeah. Look it up. Yes. Okay. Put your. I can't think of his name either, but I'm. I know you know what I'm talking about. He's just a really good songwriter.

Justin McMillen:

01;04;50;01 - 01;05;10;12

Landon McNamara:

Like, seam and, like, emotional eyes. I'm like. Like what you're saying. What you said you think I have. I'm like, that's how I look at this. Like something's. Something's off. In a good way. Yeah. If it's the same person I'm thinking of, that's, Then, Zach. Bryan. Yeah. Yeah, I really like him. I think his whole thing is like.

Justin McMillen:

01;05;10;14 - 01;05;29;01

Landon McNamara:

Anyway, I'd be stoked up jam with him one day, for sure. But other people do, you know, like, I grew up listening to a lot of soldier, and that was a guy that I always wanted to work with, and it's working out to where we became. He's somewhat of a mentor to me, and that's in the works, too.

Justin McMillen:

01;05;29;01 - 01;05;48;20

Landon McNamara:

So it's it's there's certain people that when I grew up in my most like. When I was the most passionate I ever was about music. There are those certain few artists that the ones that are still alive. I'd like to. I'd like to work with Willie Nelson. Yeah. No. Yeah. See you doing that. And I ended up on stage with Willie.

Justin McMillen:

01;05;48;20 - 01;06;07;25

Landon McNamara:

One time. I was for, Shep the guy. Shep, I don't I don't know his full name, but he done some very legendary stuff in music. He he had a concert called March for Our Lives, and that was a result of lost for words. It was at the time when lost for words came out. So that was the only reason I think I got invited to this.

Justin McMillen:

01;06;07;25 - 01;06;34;16

Landon McNamara:

Think it was March for Our Lives. It was like a march against gun violence. But I got to share the stage with Steven Tyler and Jack Johnson and Willie Nelson and like all these very legendary figures. So thank you chef. If you ever listen. Yeah I'll check it out. Yeah. That was I don't know what. Oh yeah I I'm I'm a fan of a lot of older Lahey older school guys that are passed away now.

Justin McMillen:

01;06;34;16 - 01;07;04;22

Landon McNamara:

So I never have those chances. But like I said I have a I'm more so like not into like the let's collaborate because it's a good. Good move or makes sense. It's like no. When we end up in the same room together, we have a genuine connection then like, and that's awesome. That's what I actually meant was like, because I know you enough to know that people that probably there's certain people that inspire you, and you could tell that if you were with them, they would bring out something in you.

Justin McMillen:

01;07;04;23 - 01;07;31;18

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And Zach Bryan would be. Yeah. I think he's just an awesome songwriter and voice and that emotion anyway. But definitely one guy and plenty more. But when I have when the genuine connection is more important than being like a business. Move I guess. Yeah. You know, like, what's my angle here? Yeah, yeah. You you need to stay out of that territory altogether, I think.

Justin McMillen:

01;07;31;18 - 01;07;52;27

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And then plus most of the guys I want to collaborate with, I have a lot of guys that are a lot bigger name than me. So I'm not going to be that guy, like, hey, dude, come collaborate with me like that when it happens. I have a tendency to like, I end up these guys that I idolize with when I end up in the room with them, like for some reason we end up becoming really good friends.

Justin McMillen:

01;07;52;27 - 01;08;18;17

Landon McNamara:

So like, I just let it naturally happen when it's time. Nice, nice. So there's clearly a pathway for music. And we talked about surfing and then you just won the biggest big wave surf competition on planet Earth. So what are you going to do? What's where are you going? What are you going to do? That's a good question.

Justin McMillen:

01;08;18;17 - 01;08;41;23

Landon McNamara:

Career wise. I'm going all in on music right now. It's been the first time where it's like, I'm missing out on going to swells in Tahiti and Fiji and, like, stuff that I genuinely love to go do. I'm sacrificing to go do what I need to do to take these next steps and music to go to where I want to go.

Justin McMillen:

01;08;41;25 - 01;08;58;20

Landon McNamara:

I'm a firm believer. You you get out what you put in. So right now I'm putting in. Surfing's always going to be there for me. I honestly want to just get in a place to where I'm set up enough with the music to where I can surf more, you know like sure. Because I do have my surfing goals as well.

Justin McMillen:

01;08;58;20 - 01;09;23;07

Landon McNamara:

I still want to chase. I want to pioneer a spot because there's still thousands of waves that I'm sure get. Yeah, there's thousands of 30ft, 50ft waves out there in the world, big barrels around. I want to be a guy that pioneers. One of them become my uncle kind of dude. And Missouri or whatnot. And just that, that, adventure part of it.

Justin McMillen:

01;09;23;07 - 01;09;54;02

Landon McNamara:

And just, I don't know, something cool about surfing a wave no one's ever surfed. What about your uncle and Nazar? What's for people that don't know? You tell me about that or. Yeah, I mean, his. So he wasn't a my Uncle Garrett. He's most famous now for on HBO. They have the series hundred foot wave and that derived from his experience and being the first guy to go surf nazare at this 100ft size.

Justin McMillen:

01;09;54;04 - 01;10;20;26

Landon McNamara:

It had been surfed before but never, never at the size it actually got. He was the first guy to go conquer that wave at that size, and it just blew up his whole career to like the highest heights he could ever go in surfing. And as yeah, he I mean, I grew up around him and I always heard him saying, like, one day I'm going to surf 100ft wave.

Justin McMillen:

01;10;20;26 - 01;10;43;01

Landon McNamara:

And I remember being like ten years old at specifically hearing him talking about 100ft wave and whatnot. And for me, the most inspiring part about his story is it took him until I think was like 52 years old. And then he went and conquered the life long dream, you know? And he had had success through his career and big waves before that.

Justin McMillen:

01;10;43;01 - 01;11;08;18

Landon McNamara:

But I mean this at 50 early 50 has got this like turned into the most famous surfer in the world. Like very crazy when you really think about that, any other athletic sport or whatever, like don't do it, you're done, you're done. And he found his super inspiring. Just never stop. And he's just got that. Whatever it is, we're trying to talk about what we're great people have.

Justin McMillen:

01;11;08;23 - 01;11;25;09

Landon McNamara:

He's got it turned on for us. You know, he's just. You guys get along. Yeah. Have you been out there too? I went there one time with him. I didn't surf it at that size. It didn't get that big when I was there, but I surfed that in like the 20ft range, and it was just me and him in the water.

Justin McMillen:

01;11;25;12 - 01;11;48;12

Landon McNamara:

As I was paddling. He was on the ski. I got a lot of respect for that wave at that time because, man, it's crazy. It's just a huge, huge shore break. And I say that in a way of like, that's scarier than it being a organized like, reef break. Okay? It's just like a big dumping crazy. It can shore break out there.

Justin McMillen:

01;11;48;12 - 01;12;12;03

Landon McNamara:

It's it's not really. It's gnarly. I'm not, like, super passionate about it. Like how huge was I? Maybe one of these days I'll go out and try to get a huge run out there. But like me being some, for me, it's feeling based and I get my greatest feeling from big barrels, preferably big blue barrels some. And I know there's a lot of them out there.

Justin McMillen:

01;12;12;03 - 01;12;35;10

Landon McNamara:

I'm so that way is like really just a wall of water where you're cutting. It's a right or left. Yeah. It's like this big freaking crazy teepee that okay, comes out, there's this underwater canyon, and I'm gonna probably botch it. But anyway, there's this underwater canyon that pulls in this, well, more than, like, anywhere in the world. And it all comes to a head at this place, in this area.

Justin McMillen:

01;12;35;10 - 01;12;53;17

Landon McNamara:

And it's where the wave for people I don't know, surfing. You might be listening to this. It's just it's where the waves get the tallest that anyone to date has surfed. And there there's, there's talks and stories. There's other ones on the horizon and whatnot. But as, as it stands, that's the that's the biggest wave in the world.

Justin McMillen:

01;12;53;17 - 01;13;23;18

Landon McNamara:

And my Uncle Garrett was the first one to go concrete at that size. And yeah. Okay. So you said deciding you said music. Let me see if I got this right. So really music this is about putting in the time on music to really carve out of space so that that can allow you to serve. How much does your winning the Eddie play into you saying like, okay, I hit a mark now and I'm, I'm, I'm putting kind of put that on pause.

Justin McMillen:

01;13;23;18 - 01;13;47;10

Landon McNamara:

Like, would you be putting that on pause so much and working on music had you not won? Hard to say. Super hard to say. I was already gone. So back into the music kind of things at that time as well. But I it's not to say that the surfing is completely out the door, it's just that I'm, I'm at this stage at the music stuff towards.

Justin McMillen:

01;13;47;10 - 01;14;08;15

Landon McNamara:

It's I have to be going all in on it, and I've done my fair share of going all in on the surfing. So like I were talking earlier on and this like I can rely on the work I've put in for surfing to carry me through for, like I'm not worried about. I'll still be good this winter. I'll go and take me a few weeks of extra effort to get back in.

Justin McMillen:

01;14;08;15 - 01;14;29;16

Landon McNamara:

Like top shape to go and do anything on the surfing side of things. There's just more and more work that needs to be done. On the surfing. I mean, on the music side, so I'm doing sure it's just more time consuming and I'm and also to like a, there's really not a lot of, not a lot of money in the surfing world at this moment.

Justin McMillen:

01;14;29;16 - 01;14;49;06

Landon McNamara:

They are guys making a good living off of it, but it's by the players that it's changed. It's a trippy thing. I don't I'm, I'm probably not the guy to explain it correctly, but there's just a lot of the industry got sold out to people who don't give a fuck. And I don't know where the money's gone, but it ain't in the surfers hands.

Justin McMillen:

01;14;49;08 - 01;15;12;16

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, for the most part, you know, I think what's happened, as far as I'm aware and I'm not, I'm going to I probably won't fuck it up, but I'm not super clear about it. But I know that you had a bunch of companies that were built with people's hearts and they're really like true legacy companies that come from somebody, some visionary.

Justin McMillen:

01;15;12;18 - 01;15;30;23

Landon McNamara:

There was a bunch of them. Then this larger company came in name not to be. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to say the name. And they bought up all these guys and gave them their dream thing. Right. Which is run. These companies will support you. We'll go global. We'll give you all the money we need to pay writers.

Justin McMillen:

01;15;30;26 - 01;16;01;10

Landon McNamara:

All that came up to a certain point. And then this larger company basically promised the world couldn't deliver. They did on some stuff, but none of the the founders really got paid. Well, I don't think. And then that larger company didn't make as much money as it thought it would. So it flipped into selling to another company that then took all of the basically cut the hearts out of every one of those small companies, and then is positioning them all in Walmart and and making the most generic which sold to the world.

Justin McMillen:

01;16;01;12 - 01;16;25;28

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Basically just kind of what large private equity backed stuff does. And so then when that happened, all the contracts, my understanding is they all sort of fizzled out. There wasn't a lot of money in it. And then all the founders are trying to rebuild. And so they're they're going to do that. Yeah. It's like they got these built companies that were built off of the backs of, like.

Justin McMillen:

01;16;26;00 - 01;16;47;01

Landon McNamara:

Cool surfers and cool visionaries and whatnot. And then get to a certain point, everyone gets cut off. That soul is no longer with them. And I don't know, it's just, it is a it's a cool time now because, yeah, everything got sold out and got fucked in a sense. But now it's like the change of the tide to where all these new brands can come up and take charge.

Justin McMillen:

01;16;47;01 - 01;17;03;24

Landon McNamara:

So, it's going to take five years, probably. And I bet there'll be a lot of money in surfing again. Yeah. So that's my it's not, it's not, it's not a lost last hope. And like I said, either way, I'm going to be doing it. So that's not. But it was a wake up call after winning the Eddie and being like damn.

Justin McMillen:

01;17;03;24 - 01;17;20;07

Landon McNamara:

Like there's still really not a lot of money in my pocket, you know, like, I mean, from the Eddie. I got a good chunk for that. That, I need to fix what I said. There be a lot of money in surfing again. I don't know that there's a lot of money in surfing, but I think people were paid well in some circles.

Justin McMillen:

01;17;20;07 - 01;17;45;19

Landon McNamara:

And, I mean, when I, when I grew up, the surfing world I got to witness was across the board, whether you were the top, top dog or a lot lower on, Unlike a competition aspect, like, everyone across the board was getting paid. Now it's like if you're not only the top is getting paid, it's almost like there's there's no middle class.

Justin McMillen:

01;17;45;22 - 01;18;07;16

Landon McNamara:

There's like, all or nothing. You know, as well said anyway. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's. Yeah, I think there's a, there'll be a flip though, like someone told me once that there's builders and then there's operators and there's buyers. It was like explain. They said, well, all companies are started with a visionary or a builder. People that are.

Justin McMillen:

01;18;07;16 - 01;18;27;11

Landon McNamara:

And then and then when they get to a certain point, buyers show up and buyers have lots of money and they don't have the time or energy to be builders. They don't have the vision. They're money people. They a lot of them used to be builders, and then they sold companies and then became buyers. So they look for talent and people who are like grown something and giving it a heartbeat.

Justin McMillen:

01;18;27;11 - 01;18;53;22

Landon McNamara:

Right. Gets to a certain point. They're like, oh, it has a heartbeat, has a life, has a name. Then they they buy it and then they have a lot of money. So they bring in operators. Operators are MBA like trained business people that know how to make a company ten acts. Yeah. So the goal is how do we take this ten and five years and then they do that and then they they all the investors make a shitload of money.

Justin McMillen:

01;18;53;25 - 01;19;15;26

Landon McNamara:

By that point, your builder person isn't important anymore. That's that's a no. So that's what I was trying to get at, but I couldn't explain it. Well, exactly that the builder is no longer necessary. Yeah, and the equation and where the builders and the surfers, you know, like, what makes a brand cool is also the athletes that they decide to back.

Justin McMillen:

01;19;15;26 - 01;19;42;10

Landon McNamara:

That's that's why I looked up to certain brands. I'm like, oh like yep. They've got my boys back. Like I love that. And like, yeah. And that's where, you know, you're wearing a tannery shirt right now I think. I think that brand is is pioneering like the next evolution for sure. That's why I was saying the change of the, the the tide switch or whatever, where these out with the old and with the new.

Justin McMillen:

01;19;42;12 - 01;20;08;00

Landon McNamara:

That's been somebody that definitely, on a personal level is one of my, one of my it's like family to me. But from brand level as well. Like, stoked to be a part of it because I can clearly see it being. Being that next brand that's going to be. Taking surfing back to its original like how it should be.

Justin McMillen:

01;20;08;02 - 01;20;32;08

Landon McNamara:

What do you think it what is in a sense as it's shaping itself? What does it mean? What do you think that brand means at this point? I put you on the spot too much. No, I mean, taking a fucking power, Mac. Yeah, but just, I don't know, for me. I mean, me and Pat's relationship is a lot more than just the brand.

Justin McMillen:

01;20;32;10 - 01;20;58;04

Landon McNamara:

To me, it's family. Either way, I'm going to be here whether I'm on the brand or not. I'm going to be in Pat's that corner. So, like, to me, what that means is family like a he's helped me through a lot, a lot of stuff and a lot of personal stuff way beyond, like when it was clearly proven to me that this is not just like you're an athlete, that I want to be a part of my brand.

Justin McMillen:

01;20;58;04 - 01;21;16;04

Landon McNamara:

Like, no, I was like you. I care about you as a human kind of kind of stuff, you know? So for me it is. And when I'm saying it, I'm not saying like, fake or corny sense like some other people, I don't know, it's legitimately family for me, you know, so that which is kind of cool that it's his name.

Justin McMillen:

01;21;16;04 - 01;21;35;26

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Yeah. That's like you're part of my my own. Ultimately I care part of this and. Yeah. And I think watching it happen and I've just always I'm always sent him text because I'm just blown away by like, dude, look at this. And the loyalty because of that genuine love first place. I mean, look what happens. Like you just said, he's been in your corner.

Justin McMillen:

01;21;35;29 - 01;21;58;10

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, you also are one of his athletes, and you just won the world like, oh, yeah, world competition. And there's other athletes as well that he's got other people coming up that I know about in different disciplines that are going to do and, you know, so it's almost like he's building this family of some of the most talented people on the planet, across so many different dimensions that all care about each other.

Justin McMillen:

01;21;58;10 - 01;22;14;01

Landon McNamara:

There's like a very real and honest. That's what I've always kind of seen in him as he, he, he can he's connecting the dots and like he sees.

Justin McMillen:

01;22;14;03 - 01;22;27;27

Landon McNamara:

In the future, in a sense, you know what I mean? With the heat, like how you said like you can you have a knack for telling what? When people that look in their eyes or when they got like, he has a good way of seeing that before other people see it. And it's a it's a fricking special quality to have.

Justin McMillen:

01;22;28;00 - 01;22;49;04

Landon McNamara:

But he doesn't use it in like, a shitty way. It's like, oh, like I can help you and yeah, and be a part of the brand too. And I guess and ultimately it helps out the brand as well. But it's more so like, let me help you rise, you know? And then the flip side, it, it also helps the brand rise too.

Justin McMillen:

01;22;49;06 - 01;23;15;05

Landon McNamara:

The crazy thing is that the more of you guys that come together around that it's like this bond, this collective bond means everyone has this exponentially greater probability of being successful in fulfilling your own dreams. Leadership program the machine. Well I forgot no. Yeah. It's, What is it called, a limitless potential as a team. As a team?

Justin McMillen:

01;23;15;05 - 01;23;37;28

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And, I can't really remember all that. Certain things. I remember certain things. I remember for sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't for people that don't understand because I don't know if you're going to talk about it or what, but I know just in the first place because I, went to Treehouse. I went to Treehouse, Costa mesa, which is his, he's the founder of.

Justin McMillen:

01;23;37;28 - 01;23;46;09

Landon McNamara:

And it's helped out a lot of us get get our lives back on course and figure out.

Justin McMillen:

01;23;46;12 - 01;23;56;23

Landon McNamara:

Why we're here and what we want to do with our time here. And basically, it's beyond getting getting clean. Yeah. Turning into.

Justin McMillen:

01;23;56;26 - 01;24;18;15

Landon McNamara:

Best versions of ourselves overall. But a lot of things that I learned in the program that I still carry in my everyday life, for sure. It's good. And that makes me feel good. For sure. You're you're. You're just amazing. I'll tell you where I'm seeing it these days, and I think we can go through later. This is.

Justin McMillen:

01;24;18;18 - 01;24;36;13

Landon McNamara:

I was talking to my buddy John about this. We were talking about, like, the challenge of the flash side to making it really, like, spiritual. It's the flash is like, we all have these drives and these urges, that pull us in one direction. If you're like a spiritual person, like a Christian, it's like, oh, it's taking you.

Justin McMillen:

01;24;36;13 - 01;25;02;07

Landon McNamara:

And, you know, it's it's the devil or whatever. It's the animal part of us. And then we have this other part of us that's like the can think about the future, that can think about others, that can have empathy. And it's like all day long there's a war between these parts. And addiction is like when the flesh just becomes so dominant, that person is just searching out pleasure in avoiding pain, and that's it.

Justin McMillen:

01;25;02;07 - 01;25;21;22

Landon McNamara:

They don't care or think about anyone. So anymore with my work, I don't even think about it. I mean, we certainly treat addiction, but yeah, but it's like that's what it is. It's like there's an animal part of all of us and our job here and all over the country where we do work is like, how do we help people make sense of the animal part of who they are?

Justin McMillen:

01;25;21;22 - 01;25;43;10

Landon McNamara:

Which, by the way, should never go away. It's why why you're such a great surfer. It's why you're an amazing person. I mean, yeah, it's exactly. But but how do we how do we get it to submit when we need to? And how do we not make sure it doesn't dominate our lives in such a way that we destroy all the most beautiful gifts that you could get through taming that part?

Justin McMillen:

01;25;43;12 - 01;26;03;29

Landon McNamara:

It's almost like not taming. It's almost like harnessing. Yeah. You know, and then being able to let it go and then harnessing again, you know, and if you're in full grown addiction, it's like there is no harnessing. It's like a wild horse. It just can't be tamed. And it's going and you're crushing everything around you. Smashing and breaking like that's so I anymore.

Justin McMillen:

01;26;03;29 - 01;26;22;17

Landon McNamara:

It's not even. It's like the addiction is a symptom. Yeah. No, it's something I truly like. I 100% understand it is a symptom because you take it away. Then. Then you dealt with the real reasons you got into all that crap in the first place. You know, like, yeah, I got to deal with that on the on stage and all that on a regular basis.

Justin McMillen:

01;26;22;17 - 01;26;41;26

Landon McNamara:

Like I'm just but I freaking love it. That keeps me. That's like one thing that got instilled with me and this is like, I, I look for that shit to conquer now, you know what I mean? Cause I'm like, yeah, that does make me uncomfortable and I hate this, but let's, let's get on the other side of it and see what that looks like.

Justin McMillen:

01;26;41;28 - 01;27;01;12

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, what's crazy is that it never ends to your life, where you just. It's like you can be sober and just. Oops. Yeah. My microphone's around. You could be sober, but your whole life you're going to fight with that part of of yourself. Everyone's going to fight with that part of themselves that wants to just do the easier thing.

Justin McMillen:

01;27;01;14 - 01;27;20;15

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. Just, feed our visceral part of who we are. And I'm still trying to understand all of that. I mean, I really am, and we both have kids, and it's like, how do you teach your kid about that? You know, it's passion. Lives in the limbic system, right? Like you want that. You don't want to kill passion.

Justin McMillen:

01;27;20;15 - 01;27;43;23

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, but how do you not have it be something that destroys you? And yeah, I struggle with that. Nonviolence might be a conversation for for off the mic, because it'll be too long on its own. But like that, that whole, like, purpose in life. Like really like sometime. Like, does any of this shit matter? Is it like, really?

Justin McMillen:

01;27;43;25 - 01;28;04;28

Landon McNamara:

Is it all just about doing whatever the whatever the fuck you want to do all the time, and who cares? Or is it like, I don't think it is, but sometimes I like sometimes I do, you know, like but I want to. I tried out one of the practices I try to think about now is like when I'm dying, what am I going to be thinking about?

Justin McMillen:

01;28;05;00 - 01;28;19;04

Landon McNamara:

And then I try to attach myself to live my life recording like I'm probably going to be thinking about my loved ones knowing me when I'm dying, I'm probably going to be thinking about my loved ones. So what do I do with that? Okay, let's show up for my loved ones while I'm here so I don't go it.

Justin McMillen:

01;28;19;07 - 01;28;25;25

Landon McNamara:

I don't know, I don't know. And also like, what a.

Justin McMillen:

01;28;25;28 - 01;28;47;03

Landon McNamara:

Anything that I'm going to regret not doing or going to do it, I guess, try to think about it that way because it's crazy. Less fucking weird. Humans are weird. It's all a trip. But right when it's a serious moment where like, you're faced with like. And that's the thing. That's why I think, like, you're and I always say this to.

Justin McMillen:

01;28;47;03 - 01;29;09;19

Landon McNamara:

And I'm not trying to butter you up, but it's like you are one of the special men in my life that I look towards for mentorship. And just as like a special human in my life, you're so close to the reality of life and death all of the frickin time. Yeah. I mean, in the in, career space you're in, it's like a lot of people are only faced with their reality, like, once or twice in their entire life.

Justin McMillen:

01;29;09;19 - 01;29;34;24

Landon McNamara:

You know what I mean? Like, but it's real. Like, our time here is frickin short, and it's like, there's love and there's pain and there's this and there's that. It's like. What do you want to do with your time here? What really matters? I don't know, it's a trippy thing. It's I get it though. You know, you said mentioned stoicism.

Justin McMillen:

01;29;34;26 - 01;29;55;23

Landon McNamara:

Downstairs. And you say to something you want to learn about what you just said, about thinking about your death. That that thing. Memento mori. That's what that is. It's to imagine your death, to understand your life. So you practiced stoicism? Got it. Yeah. And then I said, you know that, David, that, it's guy's name. That crazy? He's a magician.

Justin McMillen:

01;29;55;25 - 01;30;12;28

Landon McNamara:

David Blaine. Yeah. David Blaine. Yeah. So he's a stoic, right? And he was describing to somebody, hey, this is going to sound super dark, but you'll get this. He was, like, the best way to describe it is if you look at your kid and they're playing with their iPad or you're on your iPad, right, and you're not paying attention, can you look over at them?

Justin McMillen:

01;30;13;00 - 01;30;32;13

Landon McNamara:

He goes, I will look at my daughter or son or whatever he said, and I'll imagine that they have that. They're in their last day and they have terminal cancer. And I just take that moment and I pretend that that's true. Yeah. And he's the person whose name is like Jesus. He's like. And then I grab them and I hug them, and I hold him like it's the last day.

Justin McMillen:

01;30;32;16 - 01;30;53;10

Landon McNamara:

And he said, so me keeping death on the doorstep and thinking about that allows me to experience the kind of joy that I need to experience, the love I need to experience. So and that's Memento Mori that's keeping this like right front and center that, you know, it's a gift when you are faced with your own mortality because you truly appreciate what you have.

Justin McMillen:

01;30;53;15 - 01;31;11;07

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And so the Stoics are wanting to bring that into their constant, you know, and then it's also kind of like a Native American thing is weird. Like when you're talking about having a good death, it's like, like Americans don't talk about death. In fact, if you talk about it, everyone gets super freaked out. But what does a good death look like?

Justin McMillen:

01;31;11;07 - 01;31;33;23

Landon McNamara:

Like, if we actually understand stood that that might be a great way to discuss how to have a good life. Yeah, you know for sure, because that when you're faced with that last moment, it's like you people. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's been studying on this kind of stuff, right? Like what? What? I'm probably the guy that knows what what what is the main thing that people are thinking of on their deathbed?

Justin McMillen:

01;31;33;25 - 01;31;56;25

Landon McNamara:

You know, the family, friends and regrets exactly what you said. So the people they're going to miss and then the things they didn't do. Well, then let's get to doing. I know. Yeah. No, I mean, it's a good life. So yeah, it is, it is when I take away take away myself. I don't know, I get stuck in my head a lot.

Justin McMillen:

01;31;56;28 - 01;32;13;02

Landon McNamara:

And then I gotta wake up and realize like, damn. Like what? What are you complaining about? You know, I mean, it's I make problems in my head that don't even exist. Yeah. You know, but that's another thing with life too, is like, it can't all be good because then you wouldn't know what it is you got to have.

Justin McMillen:

01;32;13;08 - 01;32;30;23

Landon McNamara:

That's like the yin and yang stuff, you know, like, so Chatter relish it all because I've almost got it down on to where it's like when shit super shitty. I'm like, well it's okay because it's about to get really good. Yeah, yeah. It's it's set. Like you cannot live there forever. And that's what we're trying to do with drugs, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

01;32;30;23 - 01;32;53;24

Landon McNamara:

It's like you're trying to live there forever that don't you cannot. Right? It cannot. Yeah. You have to know it all you have you have to know what dark is and what light is in a sense, you know, or what it mean much at all. So just writing that way, I guess I'm. This is this is what's happening.

Justin McMillen:

01;32;53;26 - 01;33;15;20

Landon McNamara:

So far, so good, though. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out all these, like, spiritual laws of life and whatnot, because I do believe that the more I dive into these certain things, like my life works out in a trippy way to where I'm like, okay, I'm I'm being watched after for sure. So channel dive. What what do you think is like some spiritual laws?

Justin McMillen:

01;33;15;20 - 01;33;32;04

Landon McNamara:

I guess, I don't know, I, I think I'm interviewing you now. Yeah, I think there's I'm. Well, I'll tell you what I'm really interested in right now that I think about a lot. And by the way, if you figure out the spiritual as you tell me. Yeah. And we'll tell each other I there's a few that I think of.

Justin McMillen:

01;33;32;07 - 01;33;58;02

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. I think one is, I think we use the word love all the time and people, it just kind of goes in one ear and out the other because everybody has their own paragraph behind that word and what it means to them. And, but I think it's a really profound thing. Like, so if you just try to really imagine if you're like an alien looking at the world and go, what is this thing called love that makes people kill for, you know, kill each other for it?

Justin McMillen:

01;33;58;02 - 01;34;15;11

Landon McNamara:

They, they, they, they come together when they when they have it, they come together and they make children and they make more, which are more potential for love. Right? So over time, people make love. They have kids. And, you know, even if it's crazy, dirty sex, it's still this idea that you're coming together and you're producing life, which is love.

Justin McMillen:

01;34;15;11 - 01;34;35;24

Landon McNamara:

And then that can produce more. And this is just these it consistently pulls humans together and bonds us. I'm super interested in that. Like, I'm wondering and I'm wondering how much of that we can we can create in the world, you know, like, I have four children and. Yeah, and people ask why you have a lot of kids.

Justin McMillen:

01;34;35;24 - 01;34;50;18

Landon McNamara:

And I tell people, you should have a lot. And I tell them it's because it's it's literally love. Like you're bringing more love around you. The more you have, the stronger you feel, the better the world is. So I feel like there's something there. And I think Einstein and I need to learn about this, so I don't.

Justin McMillen:

01;34;50;18 - 01;35;12;20

Landon McNamara:

So I get dipshit to talk about it. But I think Einstein believed that love was a, was the thing that was going to unify. It was going to be the unifying theory in physics that he thought it was actually a force. Like it wasn't just an a feeling for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a I never heard that.

Justin McMillen:

01;35;12;20 - 01;35;43;15

Landon McNamara:

That's crazy. Yeah. So I think that Bobby brought up something to me years ago and I think this is true. I've adopted this. It came from his grandfather, which is that humans are really expensive to make. And what I mean by that is like, it takes the entire universe, everything going exactly as it did from the stars all the way to now for you to be sitting here, all your ancestors, every decision, every red light mist, every everything, everything.

Justin McMillen:

01;35;43;15 - 01;36;11;14

Landon McNamara:

And so the entire universe conspired for you to exist. And yeah, it's just like, no. Yeah. So yeah. So there's that that's one piece. And think that just trying to think about that. And then the next piece is, what what how do you how do you honor that? By that, by making sure by the time you die that you've contributed to that, that pool.

Justin McMillen:

01;36;11;21 - 01;36;33;16

Landon McNamara:

So it's sort of like you leave the place better than you found it. Like if you, you know, how do you do that? So when you die, you're like, good life. Yeah. It's better it wasn't worse. There's certainly that happens. You know, sometimes I do I do think that it's just a series of tests and then like that, that having type of stuff, you know what I mean?

Justin McMillen:

01;36;33;16 - 01;36;53;09

Landon McNamara:

Like it. This life is a series of tests in a sense. I don't, I don't yeah. Do you, you have your guitar. You if you like singing. Probably not. I mean, we can if you want to. I would I'd be honored to have you. What? What do you want me to sing? I don't know, whatever you feel inspired to sing.

Justin McMillen:

01;36;53;11 - 01;37;06;12

Landon McNamara:

We've been at this for a little bit. And if you want. Yeah, let's have some. Let's get it. I would love to, Not only for just inspire.

Justin McMillen:

01;37;06;14 - 01;37;33;07

Landon McNamara:

Do you have anything you're working on right now that's, that you want to share or. Yeah. I got it. You're gonna. We're gonna have to cut out some of this stuff, because I'm gonna need a I need a minute to remember because I do have some. We're just talking about that whole universe thing. When I was like, the opening line of Stardust on a rolling rock, just passing through it on my merch.

Justin McMillen:

01;37;33;10 - 01;37;50;00

Landon McNamara:

Nice. I don't know. But anyway, I forget with, I don't think. Cut it out. Let it let all this be part of it. You.

Justin McMillen:

01;37;50;02 - 01;38;13;16

Landon McNamara:

Yeah, we'll get it.

Justin McMillen:

01;38;13;18 - 01;38;30;05

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. I was just trying to remember the the parts of it I really like. Yeah. I mean, no, we're not going to use a full song in here anyway, so it'd be perfect. Yeah. 01234.

Justin McMillen:

01;38;30;07 - 01;38;58;05

Landon McNamara:

I'm stardust on a rolling life. Just passing. Just a dumb man. Me my. I'll send some time to get that all we could be. Got me stuck in my philosophy. Out to lunch quite a while now. She probably really in the maybe mellow out, but I don't think that's me. Wearing different words can explain me and words. I just know what I know.

Justin McMillen:

01;38;58;07 - 01;39;07;21

Landon McNamara:

And then there's other stuff to it too. So I just know what I know.

Justin McMillen:

01;39;07;23 - 01;39;32;03

Landon McNamara:

Anyway, we can go again if you want. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's a different whole different kind of thing. Like. Yeah I mean I'm trying to classify that is is reggae. No no no I just acoustic guitar. Your voice and your voice is it all the training you've been doing or what. Yeah. No I get it's like a nice, like a just a beautiful clean.

Justin McMillen:

01;39;32;05 - 01;39;48;03

Landon McNamara:

Thanks. But that's a little. Yeah. It's been a journey with that. What? What's on you like a man I can sing one through. I mean.

Justin McMillen:

01;39;48;05 - 01;40;09;17

Landon McNamara:

Whatever you feel most like you want to sing at this time. We turn this thing up. Okay. So. So we can cut, cut this stuff out. Right. Yeah. And get some.

Justin McMillen:

01;40;09;20 - 01;40;19;02

Landon McNamara:

This is one good thing about phones.

Justin McMillen:

01;40;19;05 - 01;40;25;10

Landon McNamara:

I don't want that on there. That looks kind of douchey. Sure.

Justin McMillen:

01;40;25;13 - 01;40;46;19

Landon McNamara:

What we're talking about deep water I do that one. Yeah. So nice one. Easy that soon?

Justin McMillen:

01;40;46;21 - 01;41;20;29

Landon McNamara:

I stay up later as I barely took it the morning. Go. The sun is shining, so I'm. I'm out here. Can I find something to. Even when I'm last, I'm knowing where I'm going. Well, I saw ocean. Ocean. I've been machines. And I'm just floating. Cause I'm in I did what I did. And now I got to get away.

Justin McMillen:

01;41;21;02 - 01;41;59;13

Landon McNamara:

Cause, you know, I mean, I did what dad said. Can I find my getaway? Yes, I'm a lefty fighter. And I can get away because, you know, I'm in that fight that sets in. I find my getaway. Pushing other motions. Better land the swing. Got too many of I'm gonna fall victim confidence. Cause I know the song. Finding games and games and finding to lie and finance.

Justin McMillen:

01;41;59;13 - 01;42;29;20

Landon McNamara:

But I was going down. So I learned to fly. They don't appreciate the laughter. It's time to die I really, really wonder why we even try. For the pain, for the love I just for what I had I'm a mighty fighter and now I got to get away. Cause you know, I mean I did what I said searching, I fly, get away.

Justin McMillen:

01;42;29;23 - 01;42;50;17

Landon McNamara:

Yes I'm in 95 down and I gotta get away. Cause you know I'm in I did, but that's enough I might get away to. May I play this?

Justin McMillen:

01;42;50;19 - 01;42;56;26

Landon McNamara:

Something like that. I'm so good.

Justin McMillen:

01;42;56;28 - 01;43;17;04

Landon McNamara:

Oh my gosh, something like that. When are you going to do a full just acoustic with all of these? I'm going sound good version, man, that's so good. I mean, I'll be honest with you. Get it? Doing this right here, I'm more nervous to do than being on stage in a bunch of with a bunch of people with my band and whatnot.

Justin McMillen:

01;43;17;06 - 01;43;41;18

Landon McNamara:

But I love Justin, so give it a go. Thank you. Yeah. I want my my my roots. A music is just an acoustic guitar, so I would want to do an acoustic album, and it's been something that's in the talks for a while. But I mean, you know, my vocal journey when it was has that. But yeah, that was that was it.

Justin McMillen:

01;43;41;21 - 01;44;06;14

Landon McNamara:

It's good now. It took a couple of years of being really, really bad. I mean, yeah, I'll just dive right into it when I, when I came into it, honestly, the main reason I came to Treehouse in the first place is because I've gotten to a point with my, drug use and all that stuff to where, well, for one thing, I, I knew it was a problem, so.

Justin McMillen:

01;44;06;14 - 01;44;21;18

Landon McNamara:

So that's one aspect of it, but another one was I had this weird vocal condition and I was like, okay, it's from all the drugs, so I'm going to go get sober and it's all going to be fixed. And I came out here, got sober, and it was not fixed, and it sent me down a rabbit hole of like figuring out what the hell is going on.

Justin McMillen:

01;44;21;20 - 01;44;42;12

Landon McNamara:

Justin was a big part of me trying to figure that out, and it was a very depressing, horrible, horrible time because I it was it wasn't that I just couldn't sing. I couldn't talk really, like just really struggling, like, felt like I was just being choked, couldn't get words out. I went to all these empties. They're like, we don't know what's wrong.

Justin McMillen:

01;44;42;12 - 01;45;17;20

Landon McNamara:

Everything looks healthy. Like it's in your mind. And then it's like, well, this is messed up. I cannot find answers. What's going on? I'm trying to mess up my brain and whatever I ended up getting a diagnosis of it being called spasmodic dysphonia, which it is a neurological condition and it I still don't have clear answers on it, but it's, it's under I learned a neurological issue that, like, causes spasms inside of your inside of your laryngeal muscles over here to where you have no control over it.

Justin McMillen:

01;45;17;20 - 01;45;59;03

Landon McNamara:

It just like locks up at random times. But the more I've learned about it and where I'm at now, it was one. It's a it is an emotional trauma type of thing that causes a physical response. But, yeah, that was a horrible couple years. They told me basically I would never be able to heal it and that I would be stuck doing these like, injections to try and fix it like for anybody trying to understand what it was, the only other person I know that of like that's in the limelight that has came out that they have it is RFK that's his vocal condition is that I had it was what he's

Justin McMillen:

01;45;59;03 - 01;46;20;29

Landon McNamara:

dealing with is what I was dealing with. And for me personally, when I cleaned up, when I got sober long enough and was doing all the extra stuff and just, I just would not take no for an answer. And I did everything in my power to fix. And it's only been about a year now that I've been able to sing and speak again like it's frickin crazy.

Justin McMillen:

01;46;20;29 - 01;46;41;28

Landon McNamara:

And it's a part of my story, and I've touched on it a little bit, but I don't think the reason I'm going more into it now is because Justin was there. And he'll actually he can actually understand when I'm it was freaking crazy and my life has been such a radical journey and that's a part of it that like I don't like thinking about.

Justin McMillen:

01;46;41;28 - 01;47;04;07

Landon McNamara:

But now I'm with the right person talking about it to give it like it was messed up for a couple of years to where I couldn't speak, I couldn't sing, I couldn't nothing. I was over to able to overcome it. But only very recently. Dark place around it, man. Yeah. It was like dark, dark thoughts for soup.

Justin McMillen:

01;47;04;09 - 01;47;22;12

Landon McNamara:

I was I came to a point to me where I was like, I was like, you have this gift from God and like, you are not. Doing the right things in your life right now. I'm going to take this away from you until you figure it out. That's what I kind of that's what it seemed like to me like, because, yeah, it was it was bad.

Justin McMillen:

01;47;22;12 - 01;47;45;11

Landon McNamara:

But now I just do the extra effort now, and I, do all the vocal stuff and everything's healthy now. It's more so just gaining the confidence back. Like I'm very timid still when I sing. But. I used to hide behind alcohol and substances to combat combat that it's always been a part of me, but now I just dive into it.

Justin McMillen:

01;47;45;11 - 01;48;04;23

Landon McNamara:

It's like it's another thing to conquer. Just. But yeah. And so, it was that was gnarly. Since I've known you, that was the most, like, clean and pure. I've heard your voice. I mean, it was. It's incredible. So, dude. Yeah, when we remember when we first talked about this, like we're here now. Yeah. No, it's it's crazy.

Justin McMillen:

01;48;04;29 - 01;48;25;16

Landon McNamara:

You got you figured it out and that. That's why we're that's kind of where it comes from. Where I was saying earlier on, I want to see how good I can get. It was more so like. Because I, I've seen that like what the consistent effort I was literally able to get from not being able to freaking top to being back to singing, to be matched to performing.

Justin McMillen:

01;48;25;16 - 01;48;42;11

Landon McNamara:

I'm like, okay, or get out what you put in. I'm going to keep put it in and see how how much further good of a singer. Yeah. How like, yeah, I don't know. Like I still got a lot of work to do that. I study myself. I could be a better, better performer, but the only. There's no skipping the steps.

Justin McMillen:

01;48;42;11 - 01;48;59;26

Landon McNamara:

You got to go figure it out. Yeah, you gotta go figure it out. You're working with a vocal coach now, and. Yeah, I mean, I just saw one come first in the other day. I mean, man, I mean, we we live in a world now. You have all the information you need in your hands. So I've been doing a lot of it on my own.

Justin McMillen:

01;48;59;28 - 01;49;25;02

Landon McNamara:

But now that I have a little bit more resources and now that I'm. Yeah, I mean, I've been doing everything I can, and it took me on a journey literally around the world to try and figure this out. I went to Australia and the doctors here, doctors in Hawaii, like. And I came to a point where I'm certain I conquered whatever that was going on, whether it was what they told me I had or not, it was real.

Justin McMillen:

01;49;25;02 - 01;49;47;12

Landon McNamara:

It was real to me. And it's something that I had to overcome. And now I did. That's amazing because it's not supposed so. There's a couple things here that I think are interesting. One is that, I mean, you sounded in and had all the exact same things that you were multiple times. People said, that's what this is. You were told it wasn't something that could be fixed.

Justin McMillen:

01;49;47;14 - 01;50;05;15

Landon McNamara:

Yeah. And then you don't have any signs of it now, which there's people spending their whole lives trying to figure this. Yeah. That's why it's a touchy subject. Because I don't know, like, I want to give people hope for it, too, you know what I mean? Because it's a horrible going and and it seems to be something that affects like performers more so.

Justin McMillen:

01;50;05;15 - 01;50;21;22

Landon McNamara:

But you don't hear people talking about it. So is there any is there anything that you could tell people that are going through it that maybe like, is there something you did? I mean, I know what you stopped doing. Yeah. Like.

Justin McMillen:

01;50;21;25 - 01;50;46;18

Landon McNamara:

It was a it was a lot of different things because there's that there's the emotional part of it and, and neurological part of it. You got to I mean, just don't. It's frickin hard on to try and give guidance. Because I know for anyone that's going through it, if they do hear there's a fucking sucks and there is no real clear answer.

Justin McMillen:

01;50;46;18 - 01;51;07;08

Landon McNamara:

But I do not listen to the fact that there's there's no cure for it, cause I am 100% living proof that there is. And what I did to get to that point, it was a plethora of different things. I on the emotional side, like, yeah, I went through extensive like therapy and all that kind of stuff. The actual physical part of my brain side.

Justin McMillen:

01;51;07;08 - 01;51;33;19

Landon McNamara:

I did a lot of healing too. I had to clean up my act I had, and I went the extra mile. I was like doing all the extra stuff and that. So for me, when I noticed it healed, was right. After I got my back surgery, I went extra hard on self-care and everything and and at the same time I was continuing just like, I'm going to keep trying to figure out this voice thing.

Justin McMillen:

01;51;33;19 - 01;52;01;20

Landon McNamara:

I'm going to keep seeing people. I did everything to heal my back, which was also stuff to heal my brain, which is also the better I started feeling about myself, and the more I started like loving myself and realizing like, okay, I can and I am, I just it's like relatable. And I don't want to take away from people's experiences with like heavier conditions, say like a, a cancer or stuff like that.

Justin McMillen:

01;52;01;20 - 01;52;21;00

Landon McNamara:

But like, you hear people like, just do not give in to the fear of it. It's like you can fucking you can beat it 100%. It's just one of those things. It's a personal journey, you know? But you can 100%. That's why I'm gonna put it. There's nothing in particular where I'm like, that's exactly what worked for me.

Justin McMillen:

01;52;21;00 - 01;52;38;20

Landon McNamara:

But you can find what works for you and it will work. I don't know, and it sucks. I wish I had a clear answer to say what I mean. We gotta wrap this up here in a minute. But what what were the modalities you were doing for your back that may have. I'm such a curious guy. Right?

Justin McMillen:

01;52;38;20 - 01;53;00;28

Landon McNamara:

Like I have a scientific sort of where I am. What were you doing when I got my back surgery afterwards? I was going to this place in Del Mar. Del Mar Wellness, I think it was called. And it was, it was. And then also I was doing that. So over there I was doing hyperbaric therapy, I was doing red light therapy, and I was doing that cvac chamber, pretty religious regimen.

Justin McMillen:

01;53;00;29 - 01;53;41;25

Landon McNamara:

I was on. And at the same time I was working with Wave Neuro, which is I was at TMS therapy, transcranial magnetic. Yeah. So I was doing I was on a daily regimen bouncing between all of those every single day for a few months. And I would. Tell you, like, I was the felt the best I ever felt in my life was after that in a couple months in, is went out and then also at the same time I was still like religiously searching up answers for this spasmodic thing and getting different answers from different doctors and different vocal coaches and just frickin trying everything.

Justin McMillen:

01;53;41;27 - 01;53;55;24

Landon McNamara:

And I started to see progress slowly, and I was like, Holy crap, kicking. Was it happening? It was a sorry day, but was it the progress happening as you were doing hyperbaric and all that? Like, yeah, yeah, I, I don't.

Justin McMillen:

01;53;55;26 - 01;54;17;28

Landon McNamara:

For me, like I've done the levels I took, the drug used to is like, I don't think people realize how like that 100% was messing up my brain. Like, there's not your average use. And, so I, I was coming at it from a standpoint like, I have messed up something in my brain. I'm going to try to fix my brain.

Justin McMillen:

01;54;18;01 - 01;54;39;13

Landon McNamara:

So I knew that the TMS therapy was something that was awesome. I knew hyperbaric treatment was something that was awesome. So I think it was a combination of both, like bringing my body back to homeostasis. So then I could conquer like the the other parts of the condition, which might have been like the fear and emotion and stuff like that.

Justin McMillen:

01;54;39;13 - 01;54;58;26

Landon McNamara:

So when you I think this is really important information and because I think there's people I mean, think about how much you looked for an answer for this. Yeah. No, that's why I really do want to be the vessel to help people out. And and it's something that I still need. All I can tell you is at the time, for me personally, that I got better.

Justin McMillen:

01;54;58;26 - 01;55;22;15

Landon McNamara:

I was doing the hyperbaric, I was doing the red light, I was doing that sea vac chamber, and I was doing TMS therapy. And then also along with that, I was working, working like, I bought a vocal coach, like, online regimen that I was just just making sure I was just retraining those muscles to work healthily again, just workouts.

Justin McMillen:

01;55;22;15 - 01;55;44;16

Landon McNamara:

So again, I was doing all of that stuff every single day. And it was the first time I was like, Holy moly, I can sing again. Like, what the heck? Like, I can talk again. This this is actually working. Other than that, I went after all of that, I went on a crazy hectic run, relapse. And I instantly ran back into the same problems again.

Justin McMillen:

01;55;44;16 - 01;56;07;27

Landon McNamara:

So me personally, it was the stress, I think, that I was putting upon myself with the substances I was using and whatnot. But I, I do think it's a it is an emotionally triggered thing, but it causes a physical response. It's important because, you know, a lot of things that happen in life that produce a symptom like schizophrenia is a great example.

Justin McMillen:

01;56;07;27 - 01;56;33;08

Landon McNamara:

So people become psychotic when they're schizophrenic. There's no known treatment for it that really works. This really effective. I mean, there's symptom reduction, but just some people's brains down. But psychosis is there. Drug addiction produces psychosis. But the difference is that you can become psychotic and come back. Yeah. So the fact that you can and do something and come back is actually very important information.

Justin McMillen:

01;56;33;09 - 01;56;52;14

Landon McNamara:

I take the feelings about drug use or not out of it. Like for those of us who have been psychotic and then come back, we know that there's a pathway back kind of delusion. Yeah, there's no pathway back for schizophrenics. But if there is a mechanism in action that brings people back, then that means that you might be able to apply what sound here over here.

Justin McMillen:

01;56;52;14 - 01;57;13;24

Landon McNamara:

So for you, if spasmodic dysphonia, like they don't know exactly what's going on with the brain, you could, through a terrible self-harm sort of situation, have figured out what part. If you just looked at what drugs were you were using and what was happening to the brain and the fact that you induced it. Yeah. And then you were able to come back from it.

Justin McMillen:

01;57;13;26 - 01;57;33;09

Landon McNamara:

You might have a solution for like an actual anecdote to this for people who who weren't using drugs in the same way, the psychosis for schizophrenic versus like a crystal meth user. Yeah. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, I guarantee you this section, we should make a, not a short, but like a 15 minute sort of deal of this part.

Justin McMillen:

01;57;33;09 - 01;57;58;19

Landon McNamara:

And this should be out there because there's no like, people that have this issue. And that's one thing that I always try to remember is, like, I don't want any of my experience to be in vain. Whether it was the struggles with addiction, whether it's other cut or this vocal condition, all of that stuff like I want to give back and show, but I genuinely, I can tell you what I was doing at that time.

Justin McMillen:

01;57;58;19 - 01;58;18;14

Landon McNamara:

I don't know what one of them help, but overall was like, that's a good word to put. It was able to for me. I had to get back to homeostasis and that was the that was the starting off point, you know what I mean? And and to get me there, it was like I had to go extreme on my self-care.

Justin McMillen:

01;58;18;17 - 01;58;37;15

Landon McNamara:

I don't know, I wonder if the the hype. Yeah. Hyperbaric. I haven't fully believe in to like that. I don't know, I think that played a part in in, in the TMS therapy as well. I just did not stop it was an everyday thing where I was like, I'm going to figure this out. I'm not listening to these doctors.

Justin McMillen:

01;58;37;15 - 01;58;57;27

Landon McNamara:

They don't know what the hell they're talking about. Because if I did, wasn't in America. What they tell you is you have this condition. We don't know what causes it. We don't know where it comes from, and we don't know how to fix it. But you're going to have it for the rest of your life. And it's like, no, fuck you.

Justin McMillen:

01;58;57;29 - 01;59;17;03

Landon McNamara:

That's the same thing you hear when people like having all these other crazy conditions is like, do not. And I don't even think it's the doctor's fault. Most of these times that they're just reading out of a book and whatnot. But like, you can hear everything I believe. And you just got to.

Justin McMillen:

01;59;17;06 - 01;59;38;28

Landon McNamara:

Just not stop trying and don't give in to that fear. I love you for saying that. And I think, I think you're going to piss people off, but I don't care. Yeah. Because some people are going to be like, how dare you say that? And it's like it's a sensitive thing because the people that die from stuff and they're like, I'm not, I'm not against like, you did what you everyone's just doing whatever they feel like is going to help them.

Justin McMillen:

01;59;38;28 - 01;59;56;08

Landon McNamara:

They're trying to survive and all this stuff. But it's like I that's my belief. I believe there is a way to heal everything. And there's nothing in the world wrong with having hope, right? And so, like, if you don't have hope and you're sick and you're battling like a life threatening thing, the only thing it's like you have a choice.

Justin McMillen:

01;59;56;08 - 02;00;13;07

Landon McNamara:

You can either be hopeful and even have faith that you can fix it. Yeah or not. Which one is the better one? Exactly what you're doing. The I forgot the exact same, but it's like the moment you believe something's impossible and it is the moment you believe it is possible. It is? Yeah. Either way, you're right. So. Yeah.

Justin McMillen:

02;00;13;09 - 02;00;34;03

Landon McNamara:

Believe that. Impossible. What is it? Yeah. What is that saying? Fuck, I don't remember, why they believe you can or you can't. Either way, you're right. Yeah, there it is. That's. I think that's it. Yeah, I forgot whose it is, but thank you. Whether you. Yeah. Whether you believe you can or you can't. You're right. Yeah. So yeah that's good right there I guess.

Justin McMillen:

02;00;34;05 - 02;00;54;27

Landon McNamara:

Well listen man, this has been I mean I love this conversation today. I don't get enough trust in I love you to thank you right now for doing this. I can't believe I just got my own private land and McNamara acoustic set. Just just just pick out the beautiful parts and teeth for sure. For sure. And, appreciate you, man.

Justin McMillen:

02;00;55;01 - 02;01;02;07

Landon McNamara:

Thank you. Just and grats on the Eddie and I look forward to the next big endeavor. Well, we'll come full circle back in a few years. All right. Oh right.

Justin McMillen:

02;01;02;12 - 02;01;14;26

Landon McNamara:

It would really help us out a lot if you liked and subscribed. We have a lot more episodes on the way. And if you like what you saw here today, put your notifications on and you'll know when a new one comes out. And, we're excited to get them in front of you guys and to hear what you have to say.

Justin McMillen:

02;01;14;26 - 02;01;17;10

Landon McNamara:

So please leave your comments down below.