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Intro

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I am the experiment. You can write your own story. Don’t stop trying and don't give into the fear.

Intro

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Justin McMillen

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All right, here we are.

Justin McMillen

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Little technical difficulties. Are

Gareth Hoernel

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there always to be expected?

Justin McMillen

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Of course. So, how are you doing?

Gareth Hoernel

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Doing awesome. Very pumped and excited to be here. I know this is, a couple months in creation. Yeah. So to have it come to fruition and the timelines to line up so we're able to have this dialog is awesome. Very honored to be here.

Justin McMillen

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I'm honored to have you here. It's hard to pin you down because you're like ducking Carmen Sandiego. Everywhere.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah. We we operate at a pretty high tempo. And, you know, I am on the move quite a bit. It's, it's kind of a homecoming of sorts now to to come back to Costa mesa, though, when I am in California and especially SoCal. So to stop on down as, as we exit the state and we drive cross-country. Is divinely time.

Justin McMillen

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And where did you where were you two days ago?

Gareth Hoernel

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So, I basically,

Justin McMillen

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how long you been back?

Gareth Hoernel

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Was back in state. From last Thursday. So last Thursday, actually, last Wednesday. I'm sorry. I flew back from Colombia. I was down in Colombia for about eight days, with a group of former UFC athletes. Bareknuckle boxing world champions, Division one national champ wrestlers, and a good stable of combat veterans and military personnel as well. All the while being monitored by a team of top tier neuroscientists.

Justin McMillen

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Okay. So. Colombia. Had you been there before?

Gareth Hoernel

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I had been to Cartagena, in 2022, as well as Bogota twice. That same year. And so little familiar with, Honestly popular there. Contrary to popular belief. It's safe. It's clean. The people are very in touch with their faith. And the land and...

Justin McMillen

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Where you in the city. Or were you?

Gareth Hoernel

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I've experienced a good balance of city life as well as remote jungle, mountainous village life in the foothills, about an hour and a half outside Medellín. And so a good balance of both. I've also experienced the coastal cities of Colombia, and Cartagena.

Justin McMillen

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This was this was which I tell people they are like what? So what's your?

Gareth Hoernel

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So it's a good question. A man man who wears many hats I would say. But but someone who, for the last 20 years.

Justin McMillen

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I just say I maybe one of the most interesting people. Man, you I mean, you're you're so trippy. I, I was trying to think how to introduce you, and, you are all over the world. You are constantly around amazing people, they're physical phenomena. You got a heart of gold.

Gareth Hoernel

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Thank you.

Justin McMillen

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And and, And you're a million miles a minute. So I'm going to try my best to.

Gareth Hoernel

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We'll nerrow it down. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

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That crazy energy.

Gareth Hoernel

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And if you need to tell me to pump the brakes at all, she does it a lot. Like, slow down, gringo. And that's all it takes. And I'll slow it up.

Justin McMillen

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Good, good. Okay. So, so what do you do?

Gareth Hoernel

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So I run a executive protection firm called GTH Consulting Group. So we, protect the 1% of the world's population, performing risk mitigation security assessments and cover their movements as well as their team's operations. Both, you know, occupancy outside the continental United States as well as consciously inside the continental United States. And that could be everything from, you know, operating their fleet of supercars and shuttles to and from private airfields to, you know, being more active in the defensive posture as certain, you know, nefarious groups are trying to target our clients and, you know, get to them in a physical way or potentially kidnap them for extortion purposes.

Justin McMillen

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So when you're saying top 1% of 1%, this is like billionaires and.

Gareth Hoernel

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Billionaires, people that are, I would say the top 20, you know, some of the wealthiest people in the world, as well as politicians as well as well known celebrities, and working with an incredible, incredible roster and stable of, you know, exceptionally, resume individuals from, you know, joint Special Operations Command to the Marine Corps, special operations, Inmarsat to Green Berets, Air Force para rescue men for all of our tactical medical needs. To law enforcement personnel, detectives, Swat operators, to martial artists like myself who have no military experience. And really being part of this tribe who is tasked in my opinion, by God, purposely to be a protector. You know, I think it's something you could train towards. I also think it's something you're born into.

Justin McMillen

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Yeah. So there's a couple of things you said very interesting to me. One is, you know, military experience and so is rare for super rare.

Justin McMillen

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Yeah. Yeah. So how and your background is martial arts, martial arts.

Gareth Hoernel

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Since I was like three years old. But then traditional sports kind of took precedence, you know, football, lacrosse. And it wasn't until really, I didn't want to get my ass kicked on the rugby pitch that I got into boxing and then I revisited, martial arts as, like, an 18 year old kid after quite a substantial lay off from from traditional.

Justin McMillen

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So when you go in these masters, how do you how do you gain the respect of these guys that have been the war?

Gareth Hoernel

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I think, just like selflessly showing up as a teammate who's, like, willing to put himself in harm's way, you know, like he's willing to put his life on the line for the benefit of the mission and the team to the left of right of him. And then also, like, isn't afraid to to get physical and showcase force and, you know, use violence of action to, to safeguard a principal, client, teammate and then innocent members of society.

Gareth Hoernel

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And I think my track record of putting myself in some of those more dangerous positions in the higher threat protection side of things, and then also just operating here for events and other sorts of protection needs. My character is always to, to lead from the front and be kind of the first person to respond to any threat.

Justin McMillen

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Yeah, I know this about you. And I've seen I've seen how people who have spent, you know, 20 career military guys respect you.

Gareth Hoernel

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Thank you, thank you.

Justin McMillen

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Yeah. And I don't think that's an easy thing to, to accomplish as a person. And one of the things you said that that I want to shine a light on because I think it matters, and I think it it echoes something that I, one of your former employers or the group used to work with. You said it's a mission from God.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah, totally.

Justin McMillen

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Can you explain what you mean by that?

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah. I mean, every morning I wake up and the first thing I do is get to my knees, and I thank God for another day of being of service, to be a selfless servant in the kingdom of heaven, to align purposely with my mission from God, which is to protect people. But then also to protect and safeguard the warriors of the light who sacrifice everything, all the creatures of comfort time with their families, and a lot of times their lives to, to to enable others to live.

Gareth Hoernel

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And I find this sacred oath almost as contract with God to protect those people in particular. So people that are veterans who are going through addiction recovery, guys who just fell on bad luck and had a downward spiral that everyone's forgotten about, those are the guys I tend to gravitate towards the most and be that lighthouse, to kind of lead them through an otherwise tumultuous dark sea by themselves. And uhh

Justin McMillen

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You like, are you would you say you're like a culture? You like create culture around you,

Gareth Hoernel

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100. Yeah, I think like a tribe, a culture of family. I think that's very important. I think it's it's, It's not just like a team who's operating on a singular mission. It's a team who's operating to bring out the best version of everyone around them. And when you have that pure intention, everyone realizes that, and they truly know that you care for them because you really want the best version of themselves. And that's just, a winning recipe for running any organization. You know.

Justin McMillen

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That's great. Yeah, I can see that. I can imagine, I mean, I'm have some familiarity with teams and culture, right? I think it's important part of my work. And I think a guy like you showing up with context,

Gareth Hoernel

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yes,

Justin McMillen

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you know, put puts you in a very unique position in, in any unit. Right. So it's like I'm here, but I'm also here for a reason and that probably I can imagine I'm making sure.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah.

Justin McMillen

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Here. But that probably is contagious and radiates

Gareth Hoernel

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for sure.

Justin McMillen

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Right. And so now the other guys on the other side of you and like.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah, like this guy's putting his money where his mouth is, but it's so simple as, like bringing water to the guys that have been on a post for an extended period of time, or like making sure that everyone's got all the necessary resources they need so that before they go on to that protection detail or assignment, they're squared away.

Gareth Hoernel

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They're good to go. You generally show like love, care, concern for them, and they feel that and they're going to work ten times harder for you and they're going to be willing to put their life on the line without thinking twice about it. And that's what you need. You need someone who is literally willing to kill and is willing to die for the benefit of the mission and the team and those around you and if you don't have that passion or that conviction in your heart, then choose a new industry or choose a new field because this ain't the place for you.

Gareth Hoernel

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So it is important to vet those people and that vetting process

Justin McMillen

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You say to die. So what you're saying is that at work, you'd be willing to sacrifice your own life to

Gareth Hoernel

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100%.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah, absolutely. And you and you have to have that no questions asked. Yeah. Going into the assignment, the job, I mean, every aspect of life with that Mushin samurai philosophy as if you're going into the fight already dead like do I like living? Do I like my body? Yeah. Am I attached to it? No. I know once my vessel leaves its place on earth and my spirit ascends, there's an even greater, version of heaven out there.

Gareth Hoernel

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I'm not in a rush to sign my death certificate, but I'm not going to shy away from saving the life of my teammate. My family, and then as a member of society, because I'm fearful of death. So you have to have that understanding of the preservation of life. But then also the taking of life or the sacrificing of life in order to really function at the highest level.

Gareth Hoernel

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So I am obsessed with doing whatever I can to keep people alive and keep myself alive and just be a force multiplier of good and protection. And, yeah, man,

Justin McMillen

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You're amazing.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yeah, that's the mentality you have to have. It's the only way you can get by. I think in life.

Justin McMillen

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I wonder how many people that work in there's I mean, there's a lot of places. I mean firefighter all first, most first responders are

Gareth Hoernel

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100%.

Justin McMillen

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And I wonder how many of those guys have that same code?

Gareth Hoernel

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The majority. Yeah. The majority. There's going to be like any industry. There's going to be like the nepotism and like the narcissists who were just doing it for the praise or the guy who just wants the female acclaim from the captive audience, you know, and like, oh, yeah, I'm a badass, or I'm this stuff or I'm this courageous and this is what I'm going to use this, like the hook to hang my hat on so that I can like socially posture.

Gareth Hoernel

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But you could see pretty clearly who those guys are versus the guys who were generally doing it because they value and they love and support the people around them so much that there's nothing they wouldn't do to to help keep them safe.

Justin McMillen

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That's incredible. I don't think I mean, for you that's reality. But I don't know that you could probably grasp how the vast majority of the world does not show up for their job in that same way. Yeah. And it's not about the job is it's, you know.

Gareth Hoernel

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It's about this unspoken ethos and code. And in a lot of ways, bushido, you know, respect, honor, courage, you know, rectitude, knowing when to, to draw your sword, so to speak, sometimes literally. And figuratively and when to, to, to put it back in its sheath and, and you know, stage that weapon. But.

Gareth Hoernel

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It's in all facets, whether it be like you're the kindergarten teacher is inspiring a group of 3 to 5 year old children, like, be willing to sacrifice the creature comforts of your existence to make as monumental of a positive impact on as many human beings and people and creatures as you can while in life, and doing that with like, love and enjoyment and gratitude in your heart, I think is a winning recipe to be successful in whatever field it is I just do that and executive protection. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

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Well, that said, I think you're right. I think I think if more people came from that space around sacrifice, we'd have a better world

Gareth Hoernel

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100%.

Justin McMillen

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What does that so I know you say bushido, but do you believe that you learn that? Or do you think this is something that you were born with? Do you think all people have this?

Gareth Hoernel

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I think it's a potential that all people have the ability to unlock. I think people are very, like are typically engineered to want to protect from a biological standpoint, those individuals in society, I think as males, that's part of our DNA, that's part of our coding sequence that makes a male analyst to protect and nurture, women, children to fight for.

Gareth Hoernel

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The un-fought for, to protect the unprotected and to be a vanguard for love and support and true masculinity, which is protective, nurturing, loving, but also savage and fierce and lethal if need be. But we live in a very self-promoting, selfish society where everyone is trying to point the finger at them. Woe is me! Look how cool I am!

Gareth Hoernel

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Look how tough I am! Look at this, look at that! The advent of social media. It's very much designed to create hyper competition and disharmony and disunion rather than bring people together harmoniously.

Justin McMillen

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Do you think when you say design, you think it's on purpose?

Gareth Hoernel

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For sure? Yeah, yeah.

Justin McMillen

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Somebody is like, this is the best way.

Gareth Hoernel

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Division by design, hyper competition, all about meritocracy. And you should earn what you rightfully want to claim in life. Nothing should be given to you for free. But when I have to win at the expense of someone else losing, I don't think it has to be that way. I think we can all, when we get all, have a seat at the dinner table.

Gareth Hoernel

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When you look at ancient Mesoamerican cultures before the Aztecs took over and before the Mayans, you know, ruled with an iron fist. And in the, you know, Yucatan of Mexico, there was rows of corn and there was fruit, and there was just rich resource for every creature and every being. And it wasn't that hard to do then. It's definitely not that hard to do now.

Gareth Hoernel

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It's just a matter of distributing the resources and and helping the Christians who are getting senselessly murdered in Nigeria for practicing a love for Christ, helping the, you know, the women in the Persian empires. The Ayatollah is being, you know, protested against in the streets of Tehran, Iran. It's fighting for those people that otherwise don't have anyone else to fight for them.

Gareth Hoernel

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And that's a hill that I would gracefully, graciously and gleefully die on. You know, now, I think it requires a team. It requires people to to mobilize. And I'm not just saying going down there haphazardly as a single element, but know being very strategic on intentional on how we can safeguard the people in Jerusalem, the Christians who are getting targeted at supporter church and spit on and demonize because they believe that Yeshua is the Messiah and they have a truth and a dance with the divine that other people doing in that region, and they're being ostracized.

Gareth Hoernel

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So there's a lot of people that need individuals like us to come together and fight for them.

Justin McMillen

00:14:58:07

I mean, yeah, you are. Yeah. You're. You're getting them in my skin in a good way.

Gareth Hoernel

00:15:05:23

Yeah, man.

Justin McMillen

00:15:06:15

So it's like I, I the work I do is extremely visceral for me. Like it's in my gut.

Gareth Hoernel

00:15:12:02

Yes

Justin McMillen

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I have always gravitated towards the most people who are hurting the most.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yes.

Justin McMillen

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And, and I constantly find myself near it like

Gareth Hoernel

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yeah

Justin McMillen

00:15:21:07

and I am it's personal for me.

Gareth Hoernel

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It is

Justin McMillen

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like I want.

Gareth Hoernel

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Personal vendetta almost. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:15:26:07

I want to end unnecessary suffering. Like,

Gareth Hoernel

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yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:15:28:24

And watching people hurt. I mean, specifically it's watching people hurt themselves.

Gareth Hoernel

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Yes,

Justin McMillen

00:15:33:02

I can’t stand it.

Gareth Hoernel

00:15:33:07

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:15:35:01

But I just realized how you and I are similar. I didn't know that before. I've known you for a while.

Gareth Hoernel

00:15:39:11

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:15:39:18

Now, I'm starting to see it in a different way. So. Okay, so you do executive protection, but it's way more than that.

Gareth Hoernel

00:15:47:19

Yeah, it's. It's executive protection. It's security solutions. But it's also.

Justin McMillen

00:15:51:15

It's a place for you to express this part of your nature.

Gareth Hoernel

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And empower people from all walks of life, not just necessarily my clients, but working with the small little boy from the inner city who, you know, has ethnic long hair and was, you know, being bullied and picked on and punched in the back of the head and being accused of being a girl at five years old but didn't have a dad at home, biological father to protect him or learn or teach him how to protect himself.

Gareth Hoernel

00:16:16:01

And so helping that little boy finally stick up for himself and fight to protect his identity and his sanctity and his safety, through the martial arts is a big part of my driving force. And now scaling that, you know, through and through University of Brand I created martial arts mindset movement to empower the next generation of really adolescent males and then adult males to be protective forces of true masculinity that's loving, nurturing, protective, and is willing to fight and sometimes die for the righteous causes in society because evil prevails when good men stand by and do nothing about it.

Gareth Hoernel

00:16:49:13

Right. And we're seeing that now more than ever.

Justin McMillen

00:16:52:00

Yeah, I mean, I'd love to get into it. Yeah. About masculinity. And I'm curious, though, how I want to hear about how you were built. Like, where do you come from?

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:01:07

For sure.

Justin McMillen

00:17:02:06

How did this person get created?

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:04:10

Yeah. I think, like, we'd have to thank God first. And my mom for, you know, having the vision of having kids and, you know, being someone who was abandoned as a young baby and orphaned, not knowing her biological parents, but just being discarded and then being taken in by a bunch of Catholic nuns and.

Justin McMillen

00:17:23:05

This was your mother?

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:23:24

Yeah. Who taught her and nurtured her loved her

Justin McMillen

00:17:26:08

Where was this.

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:26:13

This is in Brooklyn, New York. This is in Brooklyn, New York, in like 1953.

Justin McMillen

00:17:30:23

So she. Was born in like.

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:31:18

Post-World War Two.

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:33:04

And, yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

00:17:33:24

Very tough upbringing, Catholic school, like Catholic priests and nuns, like, beat your Knuckles are rulers, if you like, spoke out in class or didn't raise your hand. It was very punitive based theological upbringing that my mother then kind of rolled out into my brother and I's lifestyle. So we had a very, like, strict kind of Christian, Catholic upbringing that God was very much, focal point in our lives from a young age and helping others. And she was also.

Justin McMillen

00:17:59:04

In New York also.

Gareth Hoernel

00:18:00:01

In New York, and also a nurse who took care of dying children who had been sexually assaulted by their own family members and parents, to people in the oncology ward, to running nursing homes during Covid and watching 60% of her patients staff die before hours, you know, and having to pray over them because these poor families that were dying weren't able to see their loved ones and the government and the powers that be at time, that time was putting Covid positive patients in the nursing homes and literally killing off an entire generation of people.

Gareth Hoernel

00:18:30:06

And my mom being at the forefront of that, holding these dying patients in her arms and praying over them and being gutted and crushed that these people were dying when they shouldn't have been. And then for six months, my mom not having to be able to even see her own family, her own growing nephews, because you were in such a state of fear of giving them Covid or infecting the population. She was caretaking.

Justin McMillen

00:18:50:20

What a shit show that was

Gareth Hoernel

00:18:51:11

so such a shit show. And then you start to realize how much of the big plandemic and all of these divisive campaigns to separate us as humanity and to use really science as a way to to prop up the health care industrial complex. So I've just seen a lot unfolding since Covid, like we most have. And like on my dad's side, he's born on campus and he was born at the Marine Corps Barracks. Or the officers quarters in North Carolina. You know, my grandfather was a phenomenal football player from Long Island, New York. And, you know, decided at 17, like most young males at that time, to live out his age and go to the Marine Corps recruiters office. And basically, you know, several months later, be landing on an amphibious Hagan's craft in this up Pacific, fighting the Japanese.

Justin McMillen

00:19:36:03

Like we have the same story.

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:37:04

Yeah, yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:19:37:22

My grandfather...

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:38:11

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:19:38:15

Did the same thing.

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:39:02

Amazing.

Justin McMillen

00:19:39:19

Yeah. He lied about his age went in the Marine Corps and then...

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:42:04

incredible.

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:42:22

Yeah, yeah. And just an incredible generation. So it's like, how can I not fight for the unforgotten? How can I not..

Justin McMillen

00:19:48:03

Someday when you, you, you come to my my house?

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:51:13

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:19:52:08

Or you'd have to come to my parents house, but we have a samurai sword...

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:56:11

No way!

Justin McMillen

00:19:56:17

He brought back. Yeah..

Gareth Hoernel

00:19:57:17

That's increadable!

Justin McMillen

00:19:58:06

You would love it some much! It’s... You could. You could shave with it.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:01:05

Yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:01:20

Razor sharp, razor sharp!

Justin McMillen

00:20:03:11

It’s beautiful, the steel is perfect.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:04:21

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:20:05:07

And the thing is, like from 1930 or you know.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:07:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:20:08:14

42 or you know.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:09:19

and a weapon that, you know, probably had been handed to him from his father and then his grandfather. And you know, that reverence for the Japanese, I mean, my dad, you know, after World War Two, my grandfather, played football at Dartmouth, you know, an opportunity to go to a few other Ivy League schools. But he wanted to go to Dartmouth because - “A” he could play football.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:27:18

They had like, a green and gold officer program, and he wanted to go for like chemistry and pharmacology. So he's able to work at a pharmacy while go to college, while commissioner was an officer. And then after football, and I think two.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:40:21

Years later.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:41:24

He got his degree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and and afterwards the Korean War popped off and, yeah, he's one of the first.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:49:10

Marines

Justin McMillen

00:20:49:21

Off camera, we have someone laughing.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:50:13

Exact.

Justin McMillen

00:20:51:04

She gets it. Yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

00:20:52:18

To to land at Inchon Landing and then was one of the frozen chosen, you know, 13,000 Marines and Army soldiers versus 90,000 North Koreans and Chinese at that time. And, you know, so, like, how can I be anything but fight for righteousness and freedom? When I have the bloodline of of individuals like that coursing through my veins.

Gareth Hoernel

00:21:09:06

So, and to go a few hundred years before that, on my grandfather's side, you know, we're we're related to Robert Townsend. And Robert Townsend was the individual of the Culper Spy ring. He was he was Samuel Culper Jr, who gave General George Washington the intelligence that lower down in the British Army, we're going to hang and try George Washington as a spy and then quarter him, basically dismember his limbs from his body and hang them around New York Harbor and Boston Harbor as a warning to any other colonial rebel who wanted to go against King George the Third at the time.

Gareth Hoernel

00:21:43:19

So yeah, it's just like it's a the the blueprint and the DNA comes from that lineage. So it's impossible for me to.

Gareth Hoernel

00:21:51:23

Yeah,

Justin McMillen

00:21:52:10

because mom's caring for people.

Gareth Hoernel

00:21:54:14

Yes!

Justin McMillen

00:21:55:00

Dad's got that same side to him. There's this duty. So the whole thing speaks of duty and honor.

Gareth Hoernel

00:22:00:20

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:22:01:05

And caring for others and showing up in sacrifice.

Gareth Hoernel

00:22:04:24

and sacrificing. Yeah. And not being afraid to sacrifice and knowing that that sacrifice is. You know, what God truly wants for us is to to love thy neighbor and to to protect one another. Now, has that been a double edged sword for me in past relationships and throughout my life? Have I been burned, and have I been completely exploited for my kindness and the love and the frequency of love that I outwardly express?

Gareth Hoernel

00:22:28:09

Absolutely. But I will never change who I am just because I want to dress, to snuff out or suppress my light.

Justin McMillen

00:22:33:07

When you say this, you talk about a woman.

Gareth Hoernel

00:22:34:16

Woman, but substance alcohol could be a woman, could be Budweiser, could be fucking a bottle of Jack Daniels after rugby match. Could have been smoking weed. It could have been pop. You know, whatever the substance or whatever that devilish deception was at the time. Throughout my life, there's always been inflection points where something, someone, some event was trying to snuff out my life.

Justin McMillen

00:22:56:18

Let's, let's let's get into that.

Gareth Hoernel

00:22:58:12

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:22:58:22

Why is it that you could put drugs and alcohol in a female or, like, chasing power, like, or whatever it is, all of these things, like what category does that fit into as far as the light that you're saying is snuft out?

Gareth Hoernel

00:23:14:04

I think I think all of those divisive, almost devilish directives come from a lower draconian frequency that is an inverse polarity between those who operate in light and love and those who operate in darkness and destruction. And it's always a spiritual attack that we must pull out. I like to think of when I'm meditating, like Saint Michael or the Archangel, and I slice through it with this lights or this Excalibur weapon that just cuts through the darkness and all those shackles and chains.

Gareth Hoernel

00:23:47:08

They're just trying to pull me down into the depths of hell, because I've been in the depths of hell before. So I know the telltale signs, and I'm starting to process the habits or the patterns for pattern recognition purpose so that I don't make the same mistakes. But I've been crippled to the point since I was a little kid at ten years old like that in my life.

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:04:05

You know, like a ten year old boy who just didn't want to live anymore because he was so attacked and he felt as if his life had no meaning. So I think a big part of my crusade as a protector of the truth, the light, you know, Yeshua's way is to illuminate the hearts and minds of everyone, I mean, and help them out of that darkness and unlock that through a multitude of different things.

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:26:00

Yeah,

Justin McMillen

00:24:26:09

it's so good!

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:26:23

It's amazing!

Justin McMillen

00:24:27:19

Yeah, I love it! I love it so much!

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:30:02

Yeah!

Justin McMillen

00:24:30:16

I just feel like you're you're so a lot of people deal with this, but they don't have a frame for it, you know? Which is like we talk about it in, in the, the substance like mental health space or substance like limbic versus executive function. Right. And you're framing this sort of like that, the flash or like the hands of the devil.

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:50:14

worldly possessions. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:24:51:19

Light in the dark. Right.

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:52:20

Yep.

Justin McMillen

00:24:53:00

Battle that we all have.

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:54:05

It is

Justin McMillen

00:24:55:01

the angel and the devil, right?

Gareth Hoernel

00:24:56:13

It totally is. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:24:58:07

Yeah. And you, you you have figured out a way to understand it so that you can see yourself fighting it on a regular basis. Yeah?

Gareth Hoernel

00:25:06:13

And exactly. And knowing the telltale signs and like, the key indicators, when there is something that is a spiritual attack or is some sort of deceptive tool by design because just like we have like human design, like of what our true biological identity is and that timeline of life we've got like a God given design, like a blueprint for what we're meant to do and what our impact on Earth is supposed to be.

Gareth Hoernel

00:25:32:06

And a lot of times we go against that. And then there's this devilish design, which is also kind of a archetypical blueprint for our lives, which we can also follow. And that that is the one of like deception and greed and lust. And that's when you start going into the seven deadly sins. And those seven deadly sins are all of those vices that in one way shape or the other, can denature your frequency and pull you out of alignment with, like Christ consciousness.

Gareth Hoernel

00:25:55:01

And then there's that middle ground, which is like the Luciferian consciousness, where it's like, oh, I'm of the light. I'm surrounded by all these worldly things. Life is great, life is beautiful. And then you start to think you're the God. And then that causes that inflection point and that degradation to bring you back to the draconian level.

Gareth Hoernel

00:26:09:24

So it's just a cyclical loop of like identifying. All right. Is this nourishing my body or is this poisoning my body? Is this relationship nourishing me? Is this relationship poisoning me? Is this song that I'm listening to nourishing my mind, or is it poisoning my mind? And if you start asking yourself all that, that simple, critical question throughout any choice that you make in life, then it becomes pretty easy to operate on autopilot of the light.

Justin McMillen

00:26:34:12

How do you identify what what's nourishing or making you sick?

Gareth Hoernel

00:26:39:01

I would say...

Justin McMillen

00:26:40:02

Do you think we know?

Gareth Hoernel

00:26:41:05

I think intuitively we know like if there's a shame or guilt attached to it, chances are it's a sinful activity, right? Like, dude, one of my vices is fucking. I play this video game called Call of Duty on my fucking cell phone, and I pretend I'm five years old and I jump out of it. I jump out of a fucking plane that's like this, like Halo looking, I don't even know, a futuristic airplane with a parachute.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:03:24

And then I go and fight. These, like, these kids are probably like 12 years old, sitting on, like, grandma's basement or their mom's couch at home. And I fight these kids in this, like, digital Call of Duty game. And to me, that's like advice. I'm like, I shouldn't be doing this is like a distraction. It's a waste of time.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:18:12

Is it as extreme as some of the other vices out there? No, but I know full well that, like, I can read a book and I should be reading a book, or I could do my expense report, and instead I'm fucking going to battle on some fucking video game where I'm where I'm fighting for like, first place. And I'm like, dude, this is cheesy.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:34:01

Like, what am I doing?

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:34:24

I get it, I have a game like that on my phone. It's it's just like matching, like the little colors.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:39:11

Yeah!

Justin McMillen

00:27:39:24

But I get lost in it..

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:40:24

You get lost in it.

Justin McMillen

00:27:41:17

And I'm but I don't, I don't know, I, but I do know that it's.... I could be doing other things.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:45:17

It's a feeling!

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:46:22

Intuitively you feel like you know there's something you could do. So like that's a very mild example. Obviously you could scale that up any which way you want.

Justin McMillen

00:27:53:13

Sure.

Gareth Hoernel

00:27:54:00

But like, you kind of know intuitively and the more attuned we are into our design and like what God truly wants for us. Like, what is it that you could do if money was an option every day of your life and you know full well you would rest your head on the pillow every night with a full, heartfelt gratitude and know that you did everything to impact the world and everyone you met that day in the most positive, lightfull way possible.

Gareth Hoernel

00:28:16:14

And I think we all know that. We just we try to suppress it. And I've done that for man since really 2018.

Justin McMillen

00:28:22:10

So if if it sounds like the the like the experience here on earth, just being in this vessel, this body and this dirt and everything, do you see all of that is sort of run by the, the darkness and that the light is just the transcendence of this place?

Gareth Hoernel

00:28:37:13

I think, like, you obviously have to have the darkness to contrast the light. I think it's the polarity is essential. And everything you look at the, you know, martial arts symbol of the yin and the yang and the Tao in between. Right. It's, you know, you have to find that middle ground. You have to be capable, like Jordan Peterson and say, like of great violence to preserve and protect the biology of yourself and those around you.

Gareth Hoernel

00:28:59:04

But it doesn't mean you have to use that as your default operating system. Like knowing how to do something and maybe tap into the darkness if you need to is important and almost just as important at times as is tapping into the light. You just need to make the conscious decision of where you want to reside for everything you're doing is a darkness and you're going to stay in the darkness.

Gareth Hoernel

00:29:17:12

Is everything you do have is light, is is of light. Then you're going to be in the light. But there's certain times where there's a line in the sand that people are now being, victimized or endangered. And because you want to stay in the light, you don't want to address the darkness. Now you have the Holocaust, or now you have what's going on in Iran, where 180,000 Iranians and Persians have been slaughtered by their own government.

Gareth Hoernel

00:29:39:14

And that's from people not tapping into their darkness and being like, okay, enough is enough. Like you got the gracious King archetype, now you're going to get the Savage King archetype, and now we will take the head of any tyrannical force that tries to impact women, children, child, creature. So that's a balance.

Justin McMillen

00:29:55:21

And it's like a harmony thing because, you know, while we're here on Earth, there is pleasure, there's good food, there's sex, there's all of these things...

Gareth Hoernel

00:30:02:20

Awesome things. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:30:03:20

That make being a human amazing. And...

Gareth Hoernel

00:30:05:17

Yes!

Justin McMillen

00:30:06:00

I think the challenge is like, where do you draw that line? And from what I can tell, as far as what you're saying, and I'm learning from you right now. Right. It's like like as long as you are bringing more to the light and you're keeping the other side in check, then that's, that's a good life...

Gareth Hoernel

00:30:18:15

Perfect! That's a good life. And what is the intention like, are you just trying to like, find that chick at Newport Beach? To feed the flesh in your lust and your desire and all you care about is like your benefit and what you get from it. And just like posting her on social media to prop her up, to make yourself look cooler, or you do generally care about protecting and nurturing and loving that person and bring out the best version of themselves.

Gareth Hoernel

00:30:39:19

So like you can have two different, scenarios or outcomes that are basically set around the same variables of control, but based on your intention. And if it's of the light and pure love or it's about greed or narcissism or ego or control, it's going to have a completely different outcome. One is going to be super positive and loving and like literally just like honor God's kingdom and the vessel. That's yourself. And the other vessel that you're with, the other is going to destroy and is going to control and create this ripple effect of darkness to permeate throughout the world.

Justin McMillen

00:31:08:24

Yeah, that makes sense. I feel I feel like, you know, since since I became a father and husband and everything and I, I've learned that there's like, there's sort of layers to it's like there's the immediate gratification stuff. There's even the immediate gratification of things that are not of the dark. Right. Yeah. But then there's this bigger, much, much bigger, longer game. And that's like, like how I feel with my wife, my children.

Gareth Hoernel

00:31:35:23

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:31:36:13

Like the bigger purpose. Like something that transcends all of this.

Gareth Hoernel

00:31:39:23

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:31:40:09

You know, and that's that's where I try to try to stay there. But I mean, like everybody.

Gareth Hoernel

00:31:44:14

No, we're so flawed and I preach and profess positivity, but, dude, there's days where I'm punching the steering wheel and cursing at the top of my lungs and dropping F-bombs or every expletive because I'm stuck in traffic and I'm frustrated and like, whatever happened that day leading up to that point got me to an inflection point where I'm angry and mad. I just try to make sure that 99% of the time I'm net positive. Yeah, and I'm in the light. I'm not bitching and planning, and I'm in a heart full of gratitude with every aspect of my day to day existence. Even the shitty stuff, even the stuff that's going horribly wrong. Rolling it, rolling with it, like a like a punch and rolling it with like a duck would just wait it's feathers to to to you know, get the beads of rain pouring upon its body to just repel off of it. Doing that with the people who are negative, the people that are talking shit, the people that just don't bring anything but negative to your life and just repelling that. But then also healthy, definitive boundaries that like, hey, I've got X amount of time on this earth, I'm going to spend it with the people that bring me to my ultimate state of human potential. And they're of the light and really being selective, like being selective with who you exchange energy with you, you talk to you, like put yourself out there with what products you consume, what music you listen to. Everything as a frequency, everything as a coding sequence. Everything is a key to unlock a certain desired outcome in our cognitive, physical, spiritual experience.

Gareth Hoernel

00:33:05:01

So making sure that you're very good at discerning what is of the light and what is of the darkness.

Justin McMillen

00:33:09:03

Have you always had this frame in the way you see the world?

Gareth Hoernel

00:33:12:14

I think so. I just didn't know how to describe it. And I also naively would go through life like, oh, I just need to love everybody. It doesn't matter how they treat me even more so I'm just going to prove to them and myself that I'm worthy of their love. Especially the most difficult cases. Right? It's like challenge accepted. Like, oh yeah, like, 100% sign me up.

Justin McMillen

00:33:33:13

Yeah, yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

00:33:34:12

You know, I want the person who like, treats me like shit. And I've been in those situations before where you kind of get addicted to like that biofeedback loop of like, all right, 99% of our interactions are negative, but every once in a while, when I do feel that hit of dopamine and serotonin because they make that person smile, or I make that person.

Justin McMillen

00:33:50:10

It’s like you won the award.

Gareth Hoernel

00:33:51:13

Who is other wise morbid and just oppressive and just difficult to deal with. You're like, yes, one tally on the score against the devil. Yeah. You’re just getting like flogged. Like,...

Justin McMillen

00:33:59:14

Yeah, yeah!

Gareth Hoernel

00:34:00:04

The Allman Brothers whipping post is playing in the background!

Justin McMillen

00:34:02:10

like, that’s so nice of you!

Justin McMillen

00:34:02:20

You’re like, oh this is amazing!

Justin McMillen

00:34:04:10

Hitting you more...

Gareth Hoernel

00:34:04:16

Finally. Yeah. You only ripped me 299 times. You went off on the 300th rep. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. So I've been in those situations too. So it's like really just safeguarding energy and being a person who can curate their environment first and foremost, their internal, internal look, I've controlled the thoughts between their own two ears, you know, their spirit. And then from there, once you are completely at peace with yourself and comfortable with yourself, and you're in tune with what you are put on this earth to do, that's a big overarching theme, but we generally know what we meant to do. Like Lukian is a creative. He's meant to film and you're a healer, and they all kind of concentrically interact. But if you really take some time in solitude, it's it's not that hard to identify what your true purpose is in life. And I think people are just so afraid to use that as a compass rose in a North Star. I've always used fear as a North star in a compass rose, and on the other side of that fear, yeah, there's hardship, there's pain. But, there's always been phenomenally triumphant, powerful lessons. Have I always done that? I've always been this courageous. Now I've been scared to shit like there's fear of fighting a dude after not fighting in 18 or 8 years. You know, getting whatever. Embarrassed. They're not fighting up to my potential, but I'm not going to let that dictate or prevent me from an amazing obstacle and opportunity.

Justin McMillen

00:35:19:21

With the work you do every day. Fear. A relationship with fear is important.

Gareth Hoernel

00:35:24:18

It's healthy! Fear is very healthy. Anyone who says they're not fearful, I mean, I fear. I don't fear for any human. I fear like not living up to my potential. I feel like letting my teammates down and my family down to the people I love down. That's my biggest fear. That's something that I get so non-negotiable. I can't do that, you know?

Gareth Hoernel

00:35:41:05

So with that, I put an extremely high standard on myself and an unrealistic one, which oftentimes, you know, does cause me to burnout and does cause me to, you know, maybe whiskey throttle through life a little bit more. So it's a balance. Like, I'm trying to find out how to down throttle,

Justin McMillen

00:35:59:06

I think...

Gareth Hoernel

00:35:59:17

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:36:00:00

listening to you gets it because you're just like...

Gareth Hoernel

00:36:01:18

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:36:02:12

Boom! But it's also it's also...

Gareth Hoernel

00:36:03:20

Passion.

Justin McMillen

00:36:04:00

It is passion.

Gareth Hoernel

00:36:04:23

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:36:05:05

I always feel like what I'm talking to you that you have, you're like channeling something through you. And it's it's a combination of you being sure about what you think combined with just a limitless energy. Right?

Gareth Hoernel

00:36:17:06

Yes. And it's God-Given energy. It's it's a conduit and almost like a messenger to the conscious connection of really my faith in my prayer practice that takes place at all times. And then just unlocking whatever gem of wisdom or love that I can utilize to illuminate the hearts, minds, souls and cellular spirit of everyone I interact with. So it's by design, meant to enlighten and empower and elevate the frequency of people. It is a fucking shit ton of. It's like I'm operating on like 12 cylinders all the time, because a lot of times, you know, I'm having to perform, I'm having to be hyper focused, some having me be hyper vigilant. You know, when you're in a place like Mexico where kidnaping and extortion is at an all time high and you're protecting a six year old boy and you're protecting a young, single mother, like there's no margin of error. There's no room to mess up. There's no wiggle room for me not to be absolutely dialed in and razor sharp focused, because I signed up for the protection of those two individuals that I love and care for. And I would do anything to serve and protect them. So...

Justin McMillen

00:37:25:24

in a situation like that, if you're protecting a a mother and a child and you get like rolled up on from every direction?

Gareth Hoernel

00:37:35:10

So what am I doing in that situation? Like say it's a it's and to get realistic it's a checkpoint. And we're at some intersection in Leo in Mexico and an an SUV opens up on the car. Then I'm literally shielding that little boy and his mother's bodies with my body. Hopefully I can take it out for the rounds to like, absorb and take impact as I'm engaging that threat. But first shielding them from the attack as I engage and then just trying to get them off the ex to a safe, undisclosed location and then providing medical first aid and trauma if they were in fact shot to save their lives and stop the bleed. But their lives and their safety supersedes mine in those types of scenarios. And yeah, I have to be willing to become a bullet sponge for whoever I'm protecting, you know? And that's. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I sign up for, right? You have to be willing to kill, and you have to be willing to die for who you're protecting.

Justin McMillen

00:38:33:01

Do you always have backup or other people?

Gareth Hoernel

00:38:35:20

Honestly, when I was in Mexico, a solo like, I got down there two days in advance. So you usually do the walkthrough, you do key leader engagement. So you try to liaison like this trip in particular. You're trying to be low vez, but I did have some guys from Sacramento who were down there that I met with, who were also coordinating a fighter, so I logged some time with them. I met the local boxing commissioner. I met a, Leon native pro boxer who's plugged in with the government, the police, all of these key figures. So I knew if I did need anything at a moment's notice, I had at least 5 or 6 powerfully connected guys in Mexico that we can get to. And then you start kind of making sure, you know, people on both sides, if you know what I mean. Making sure that if you go to a place and you're with a C-suite team of 200 executives, well, you know, chances are you may have to talk to certain groups and give them in advance of money to let them know, like, hey, you can't kidnap our clients and you're not to target them. We're giving you this as a retainer to provide security. And if you keep us safe while in city, then we will pay you half of that retainer on the conclusion of that detail. So there's the navigational

Justin McMillen

00:39:44:13

Make it easier for them to not have to...

Gareth Hoernel

00:39:46:00

Yeah. And that's not like an absolute. That doesn't happen all the time. But like on the bigger details where there's a lot of power for people from big, companies that have global impact, most times, not often the people in the areas who are operating with the crime syndicates and are operating with the elements that would be profiling are going to know kind of generally who's in that area of operation.

Justin McMillen

00:40:12:16

I get it.

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:13:01

and they're going to build out target packages to get to that potentially.

Justin McMillen

00:40:15:14

I lived in Mexico for a while...

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:16:16

Yeah... where in Mexico?

Justin McMillen

00:40:18:16

It's called Cumbres.

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:19:15

Okay.

Justin McMillen

00:40:20:02

Do you know that area?

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:20:17

I've heard of it. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:40:21:23

Colonia Cumbres. It's like south of just south of Tijuana.

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:24:23

Okay.

Justin McMillen

00:40:25:07

All the the dirt roads.

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:27:14

Yes!

Justin McMillen

00:40:28:03

Open sewer cities, like I live down there and I worked. For an NGO, and I was, like, finding leadership in this community. And then we were teaching classes and...

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:36:22

Dude amazing!

Justin McMillen

00:40:37:18

Doing a bunch of stuff, but but.

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:39:20

Increadably rewarding work.

Justin McMillen

00:40:41:09

the the the the more I don't want to even say the word on here. But

Gareth Hoernel

00:40:46:17

I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. The folks. Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:40:49:19

Right. It was so interesting to see how they worked in the community. So there was like this one house. Right. And it was just imagine like complete shit, like, you know, you better dogs everywhere. Yeah. Music all night. And it's like people making houses out of pallets and car parts, right? Yeah. And then and then there's this one area where there's this olive orchard and there's this road that goes up and it's a lit road. It's perfect brick. And on the top there's this beautiful home. And I would sit there because I could see it across the valley. I would watch locals go walking up there.

Gareth Hoernel

00:41:18:21

Oh, yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:41:19:11

And one day I was like, what are they doing? This guy who's my neighbor is like, oh, probably so-and-so needs a plane ticket to go to Mexico City or whatever. Maybe her mother's sick. And like the way that it works is these these characters are taking care of these people. Right. And so there's more loyalty.

Gareth Hoernel

00:41:34:22

There, almost. Robinhood like characters, where they're literally stealing from the rich to give to the poor. And there's this fierce loyalty and like and it's a glimpse of beauty. It's like, if I know how to gather resources and provide education and food and water to marginalized indigent populations, you better believe I'm going to do it. And honestly, I'd be so far to say it's like if it required me doing something that was maybe a little bit below board, like I was an old Western cowboy. And every once in a while, a stagecoach had to be raided with my Colt revolver because guess what? This would feed an entire village at 300 people. That. I'm not to say that I'd be above that, you know, like I. Yeah. And when you're starving and when you're in those situations, it's a crime of opportunity.

Justin McMillen

00:42:20:08

I was just blown away by the there's there's definitely like the governmental system. There's there's no police out were I was at at all. Please don't go there. And then there had their own rules, their own systems of governance. There's like the older people in the village that are sort of the...

Gareth Hoernel

00:42:36:15

Elders.

Justin McMillen

00:42:37:05

The elders, but they all a lot of them lie and make shit up...

Gareth Hoernel

00:42:40:06

Oh, of couse!

Gareth Hoernel

00:42:41:00

They're just the gossip queens!

Justin McMillen

00:42:42:08

Yeah, exactly. And then and then you've got like, like the guy with an olive orchard with his thing, and, and these folks are totally. They're really in control of things. There's a ton of loyalty to them. They're caring for everybody, but they're also up to some dark shit.

Gareth Hoernel

00:42:57:05

Of course.

Justin McMillen

00:42:58:04

And then with me being there, by the way, like I was vetted, right. So...

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:02:07

I bet.

Justin McMillen

00:43:03:01

I had a, I had a tire get I'd say sorry, but I had a blowout on my truck and I was sent to go to this particular place to get it fixed, which was a total front.

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:13:07

Oh yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:43:13:19

It was like it was crazy. I go, there's like nobody there. And then I go and there's this this room. And it was like something out of a movie. It was like the entire inside of this room was pink, pink, light pink wall coverings, pink like dingle balls, things hanging out. And I realized I was being put in a position to where I was being vetted. Like these guys were going to see who I was. I don't think he was like a major player or whatever. So but I'm talking to him. He obviously fixed the truck for free.

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:38:03

Yep.

Justin McMillen

00:43:38:12

He was like, he called somebody. Someone came in. They didn't even have the shit there.

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:41:19

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:43:42:05

And and it was from there forward it was like, okay, this guy's good.

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:45:08

This guy legit.

Justin McMillen

00:43:46:03

They knew that I was that I was okay, but it was crazy to know that that was going on. There was this whole other layer. So you working down there? Obviously you got to figure out, okay, what are the systems?

Gareth Hoernel

00:43:57:18

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:43:58:07

Who's important here? Who has leverage

Gareth Hoernel

00:44:00:20

Exactly.

Justin McMillen

00:44:01:11

Who can make a call. And then you got to know these people yeah?

Gareth Hoernel

00:44:03:10

And know these people and just be in their good graces. And also just not step on toes and be so nosy where you're, like, overtly being offensive and yeah, smelly out from a mile away. And now you're...

Justin McMillen

00:44:14:09

Why you asking so many questions.

Gareth Hoernel

00:44:15:02

In their crosshairs. Yeah. Why are you asking so many questions? So like and just blessing people up and like, whether it be the homeless people on the streets, the little kids who were begging for change, like doing street art work, like just giving and and donating, even just the acknowledgment of humanity by a high five or, you know, a couple pesos or something that is so needed because there's so many starving children on the streets. It's just, you know, some lunch or breakfast. So I just operate off of that, like, guise of love and like, you know, if it's my time to get rolled up on? I'm like, yeah, okay. Like I'm ready for it too, you know? But I'm not going to do anything that's going to jeopardize me or like, put me in a situation where there's anyone that I interact with that would be like, fuck this dude. Let's roll him up.

Justin McMillen

00:44:57:13

Exactly.

Gareth Hoernel

00:44:57:23

You know, like, yeah, if I'm blasting everyone up wherever I go. And I'm always, like, leading with love. Like, it's hard to make enemies, you know.

Justin McMillen

00:45:03:18

You and I would have it because back when I was doing that, not the same thing, but when I was working in different places, I was very skinny. Yeah. Long hair.

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:11:12

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:45:11:20

And I was the most honest, like, no one...

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:13:13

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:45:13:24

It's like there's no threat to this guy whatsoever. And so it's all just love, right? And with you being the way you're built and everything, I'm sure people are like. Hummm?!

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:22:15

What's the catch?

Justin McMillen

00:45:23:06

And it's like, how you know, I'm going to I'm going to want to. challenge... I want to fight this guy.

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:26:21

Exactly.

Justin McMillen

00:45:27:12

Let’s see if I can prove myself...

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:28:16

Exactly

Justin McMillen

00:45:29:11

At.. Did you you ever find yourself in any situation where you like, do you have close calls? And if you if you do want to talk, but you know, you don't have to, but have you ever been in a situation in any of those countries where you really had to defuze something that put you right out on the edge of...

Gareth Hoernel

00:45:46:22

For sure, but but even more so stateside! I mean, I've had, I would say, more situations stateside where I've had to defuze escalation, where a gun was drawn or a pistol was pressed to my forehead and someone who I was literally trying to defend and protect from getting jumped now is roping me into a collateral double homicide, because we literally both about to get shot in the head.

Gareth Hoernel

00:46:08:09

And I had to talk. This dude off of pulling the trigger. So I've been in those situations, but honestly, like, yeah, I've had some shady situations in South America, in Mexico happened recently. Like just routine stops where I'm getting exploited by the local authorities, stuff like that, which is kind of common practice. But I've had a lot of sketchy, near death, life altering, potentially experience here in the US.

Gareth Hoernel

00:46:29:16

More so really. And with more propensity and more frequency. Yeah, 100% New York City, LA like I mean.

Justin McMillen

00:46:38:22

What’s the story with the...

Gareth Hoernel

00:46:39:17

My own hometown, man. I've had bloods on initiation night roll up on me when I was like 12 years old. And, like, I watched 90% of the, like, varsity football team leave me at a train station as dudes with red bandanas literally tried to put me into a fight so they could blood me in on initiation night like I... 7 years... nah 8 years old, getting rolled up on as I'm like, trying to master a kickflip and seven dudes with knives like press them against my rib cage and rob me of not only my money, but also my skateboard and just leave me there helplessly.

Gareth Hoernel

00:47:09:18

So like I've been victim to a lot of crazy shit and a lot of situations of violence from the time I was a young age, like 3, 4 or 5 year old person, through all facets, whether it be just interacting with my brother as a full contact fighter and just the only way to toughen me up was through violence. And just like sharpening me into a weapon to like teachers at school who have, like, thrown me into file cabinets. All because I was like thought I was Mike D from the Beastie Boys, and I want to play on the cassettee tape player like it was a freaking turntable to like being in fights in school and then street stuff where I had very, very, profound, life altering situations that could have went horribly wrong, happen to me from a pretty early onset.

Gareth Hoernel

00:47:54:03

And so I've just kind of been comfortable in the chaos. And I think maybe I look for the chaos sometimes when other people will be like, I'm cool, just fun from the breaks and like just taking the next few plays out. I'm kind of always pushing forward. I'm always kind of throwing myself in the fire, so to speak, you know?

Gareth Hoernel

00:48:11:09

Yeah. Not fighting...

Justin McMillen

00:48:12:02

Where you bullied as a young?

Gareth Hoernel

00:48:13:22

Yeah, for sure. I definitely received a lot of bullying and like, I mean, it wasn't...

Justin McMillen

00:48:18:11

Did you ever do the bullying?

Gareth Hoernel

00:48:20:02

I never had it in my heart, man, to bullied me. I mean, I've, I've bullied dudes. Like when Bobby [...], ninth grade, this dude Rudy [...],, doing drop a name for Rudy [...], like, was punking my boy Bobby and, like, he was smaller than him. And so I was like, all right, dude, I'll be your huckleberry. Like, let's fight.

Gareth Hoernel

00:48:39:18

And we're supposed to fight. Like Thursday afternoon. And we literally it's like this huge, massive, like upheaval. Everyone at school was like, yo, G’s fighting Rudy! let's pull up to the Texaco gas station. So you find, like, the most, like, overt, blatantly obvious place to fight, which is like on the main street in our hometown in Islip, New York, across from the freaking middle school.

Gareth Hoernel

00:48:59:05

Like cop cars coming down every hour on the hour, like a bunch of parents sort of just picked up their kids, sort of like dropped their kids off at school, are going to see us. Chances are my mom's friends. My mom, might roll by one fist fighting this dude in the gas station parking lot, but still going through it nonetheless.

Gareth Hoernel

00:49:13:17

And then, like, you know, like it cracked. And then I was getting my nose broken, like choking on blood, taking this dude down like throwing punches in his head and then being like, I can totally end this guy right now. But letting him get back up for him to, like, turn me up on the feet so much, I was like the gracious, like Street fighter, maybe.

Gareth Hoernel

00:49:30:03

Like I was like, kind of. I didn't fight a lot. But when I did fight, I kind of tried to maintain chivalry in it, you know? And then we had a rematch like, and Bobby and I had a rematch like a year later, and this was at the elementary school, another great venue to fight. But I'm like, listening to, like, Rage Against the Machine and, like, crushing bud heavies and just, like, getting a buzz on as I'm ready to, like, throw down and fight this dude.

Gareth Hoernel

00:49:51:12

And I remember like, he had crazy reach. He was like six five, like probably 240. I was like maybe 2 or 5, whatever, bigger dude. And him just like lacing me up with, like, straight punches down the pipe, rocking me. And then the only thing I realized at that point that I knew to close the distance with was that I used to watch Wanderlei Silva in Pride, and I just went into like, Brazilian mode clinch this dude just started peppering him and knees through his head and body dropped him and I get on top of him about punching him and I'm. I'll never forget it. I'm like, you don't let you down yet. And his face is bruised, bloodied and battered. He's like, no, I'm not done yet. I'm like my man. Like at that point, instantly let off the punches.

Gareth Hoernel

00:50:29:12

Gained an immense amount of respect for him, picked him up, wiped the blood off his face and I was like, dude, if any of these guys here mess with you like, you and I will take care of business together. And that's always been my mentality and philosophy. So I never looked for fights. But yeah, fights definitely had a way of finding me

Justin McMillen

00:50:42:18

Sure.

Justin McMillen

00:50:43:19

And you just describe perfectly the essence of a fighter, right. And combat sports when it's the classic like hugging afterwards.

Gareth Hoernel

00:50:51:13

Yeah, I think it's should be.

Justin McMillen

00:50:52:18

Love and respect. And it's like we just did this and it's not what people think, you know?

Justin McMillen

00:50:58:02

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Justin McMillen

00:51:06:14

So how old were you when you got into the EP stuff?

Gareth Hoernel

00:51:09:17

So I started security work when I was like 17, 18 years old. And a lot of the guys I learned from, you know, former motorcycle guys, like guys who, you know, may have rode for some nefarious organizations, but guys, you saw my potential as, I think, just like intuitively a protector and someone who was into fitness and like, you know, I train martial arts in the past and was into boxing and rugby and just gave me a shot to basically work with them and just built this like fraternal trust and loyalty towards me as I had for them.

Gareth Hoernel

00:51:40:07

And that was kind of what kickstarted me into, I would say, like the nightlife security side of things and started working for like Super Bowl events and protecting high net worth celebrities. And then the first big mission was, say, 2018. Like outside the continental United States, outside McAllen, Texas, on the Mexico side, in Sinaloa cartel country. And realizing that, there was a massive migration taking place and thousands, tens of thousands of people were pouring in through our Mexican American border that year.

Gareth Hoernel

00:52:12:11

And I was part of a project with some individuals who were working to close at 1200 Mile Cross Section because they knew what an Achilles heel it was for our country, and we would see the tattered clothes and backpacks and little socks of these poor little girls who were trafficked and sold into sexual slavery. And, you know, we were there for a brief time, but it left an indelible mark on my mind.

Justin McMillen

00:52:36:14

2017?

Gareth Hoernel

00:52:37:13

Yeah, 2000.... 2018 that, there were some serious, serious human rights violations taking place here and that same section that after the money was raised and we were good to go and break ground and close that section, you know, whole investigation unfurled that basically there was fraudulent charges of corruption. And basically what they wanted to do is they wanted to cancel the project because they knew this was the main feeding source for, fentanyl, for human trafficking.

Justin McMillen

00:53:05:15

Who's they? Gareth.

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:06:10

The people that were running the government at that time and the people that wanted to leave the United States a vulnerable, borderless country so that they can utilize, you know, fentanyl from CCP China. They can utilize the massive...

Justin McMillen

00:53:20:22

This is important and I want yeah, I want you to talk about this.

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:23:00

Of course.

Justin McMillen

00:53:24:16

So again, lots of people are going to hear this. And everyone has an opinion about the border. It's pretty pretty common. It's like

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:31:07

Yes

Justin McMillen

00:53:31:19

One side is like... I don't even know if there's an argument any more that the border should have been left open. I think both sides are saying it should have been closed.

Justin McMillen

00:53:39:19

But then around why it was left open, nobody really knows except for people who were maybe right there. Right. Like some prominent people went down and they went looked at it. There's people some of our folks are fine helicopters to see what was.

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:53:09

Yep.

Justin McMillen

00:53:53:23

So you were there?

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:55:04

Yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:55:18

And I...

Justin McMillen

00:53:56:06

You saw this.

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:57:12

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:53:57:19

And your take is?

Gareth Hoernel

00:53:59:00

And my take is quite simply that they left the United States southern border outside McAllen, Texas, porous and open because they wanted to import Chinese fentanyl. They wanted to import military age males into our country to lead about the systematic destruction from the inside out. And they wanted CCP, Chinese, Russian and cartel sympathizers to permeate through the United States.

Gareth Hoernel

00:54:28:00

And continue...

Justin McMillen

00:54:29:06

Sorry I was...

Gareth Hoernel

00:54:30:01

No, it's it's to point the finger at individuals or particular people per se, just the movement of people who want to feed into the military, the healthcare industrial complexes, and expand their global power, so that they create an aristocracy. And if you're not in that 1% and that elitist category, you're suppressed into the controllable cattle like masses of the peasantry.

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:00:20

And so I see it as this. There's individuals who want all the power for themselves, and they want to enslave the rest of humanity. And those are the individuals, the puppet masters and, you know, profiteers of these.

Justin McMillen

00:55:14:12

Do you think the puppets are like the. So you have obviously what you have DC and you have what's happening there, different administrations. Do you think they're the puppets and that there's actually somebody else that’s...

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:26:22

I think...

Justin McMillen

00:55:27:19

Influencing them.

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:28:09

Yeah, for sure. For sure. There's there's.

Justin McMillen

00:55:30:05

Not like Joe Biden's like let's let all the Russians.

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:32:13

Now, there's, there's people pulling the strings and there's people and big time donors that are basically lobbying for the legislations and pushing forth and propping up these politicians so that they can, behind the scenes, manipulate the narrative and really control global dominance from an economical, geopolitical.

Justin McMillen

00:55:54:06

Do you this the end games is...

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:54:19

Geo technological standpoint.

Justin McMillen

00:55:56:05

Deconstruction of the United States?

Gareth Hoernel

00:55:58:05

Absolutely.

Justin McMillen

00:55:58:24

Do you think it's foreign or foreign states?

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:01:22

It's...

Justin McMillen

00:56:02:18

Do you think it’s...

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:02:24

It’s a concept, just...

Justin McMillen

00:56:04:09

Like some sort of group of people that are realy global?

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:06:14

Yeah, it's it's it's the Bolsheviks. It's the individuals that in 1917 started the Bolshevik revolution. It's the the Leon Trotsky is it's the, the individuals who want to take the power, for themselves and use it as a controlling vesicle to basically enslave humanity.

Justin McMillen

00:56:26:00

Why do you why do you think this?

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:28:05

I there's everything that I've researched and I’ve experienced...

Justin McMillen

00:56:31:09

Know you you're.

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:32:06

Leads me to believe...

Justin McMillen

00:56:33:00

You're in it right?

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:33:18

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:56:34:01

You're flying around on jets all over the world. You're connected to, like, incredibly powerful people.

Gareth Hoernel

00:56:39:20

And and I think most people are of the light. I think most people truly do want to live harmoniously with others. But people do realize the power of, social division and tribalism and false flag events and the narratives that you're basically able to propagate through propaganda to serve your ulterior motive, which the United States is public enemy number one for a lot of the world.

Justin McMillen

00:57:11:21

Sure.

Gareth Hoernel

00:57:12:20

We represent the evil empire. We represent this neocolonial, tyrannical government and dictatorship for a lot of people and and their eyes, the people that haven't experienced the American dream or haven't experienced the true social fabric of the United States was this beautiful, opportunistic country that, you know, is a winning lottery ticket to be born here, you know? And yet so many Americans take it for granted, and they pander off of those demographics to basically sell out their own country.

Justin McMillen

00:57:41:08

Wow.

Justin McMillen

00:57:41:19

And that is what's taking place underneath our noses.

Justin McMillen

00:57:44:10

Sure.

Justin McMillen

00:57:45:08

I mean, you I've heard this before and in different ways, you know, I mean, there's there's the idea of subversion, right? That all the countries are the major power. You know, the power axis is exists outside the United States, is really trying to figure out the best way to make the US fall.

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:02:13

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:58:02:23

And they're assuming it'll happen from within. And then there's this other conversation around you know, the accumulation of wealth is so great amongst such small group of people...

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:14:00

Yes.

Justin McMillen

00:58:14:11

worldwide, that they're also, in their, in their own way outside of countries and sort of controlling the game

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:21:07

100%.

Justin McMillen

00:58:22:13

Yeah, it's interesting because I don't think anyone can really make sense of...

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:25:23

No.

Justin McMillen

00:58:26:10

why the [...] border was left open the way it was...

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:29:07

No.

Justin McMillen

00:58:29:18

like the opinions even, even the strongest opinion around. I mean, the best argument that it can be that's non conspiratorial is just that it's incompetence.

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:38:08

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

00:58:38:20

That Biden and the rest of them just were like “I don’t no!?”

Gareth Hoernel

00:58:42:04

But then you like, unpack that further. And I got a phone call from an individual who will remain unnamed. But basically it was like, hey G, would you ever have an interest on basically shuttling people from the Mexican-American border into the sanctuary cities in the United States, literally asking me if I wanted to make money smuggling illegal aliens into our own country to destroy us from the inside out? Now, are all those people trying to destroy the United States? No! The majority of them are working class individuals trying to start a new life for their families. I support that. I think America is an amazing...

Justin McMillen

00:59:13:01

Im sorry you were talking about the immigrants.

Gareth Hoernel

00:59:13:16

Yes. Yeah, I I'm from an immigrant family. We're all immigrants. Unless we're indigenous Native American. This is in our lands, right? I'm all for coming here and starting a new life and supporting that creative journey of the American Dream. But do it the right way and when the open, porous borders are systematically left open to pumping fentanyl and spice and crocodile and all these destructive chemicals that have literally caused decimation and decay, to our country.

Gareth Hoernel

00:59:46:23

And you have military age males from every hotbed, Middle Eastern country, all seeking jihad and all seeking death to America, infiltrating our country. And then you have individuals who are literally perpetuating and propagating a destruction campaign with something as blatantly obvious as the vaping bans. Call them the robot penises, man, those little vape sticks that everyone's smoking on.

Gareth Hoernel

01:00:10:18

Where does that come from? China. Propylene, glycerol. All of those suspension chemicals literally create a condition called popcorn lung, which is created by devices and designed by China to destroy the lungs and feed into the healthcare industrial complex of the United States. So you will get everything that's being imported into our country. And you look at the intention, just like we spoke about.

Gareth Hoernel

01:00:31:05

It could be a good intention or could be a bad intention. And the majority of those products and the influence and influx from those particular countries isn't just to start a new life for its people, it's to destroy the United States from the inside out. You know.

Justin McMillen

01:00:46:08

What would you say to people who and I, I don't disagree with you, Gary. So, yeah, talking for me. What would you say to somebody who's like, this guy is just overthinking this? He's make your argument for why.

Gareth Hoernel

01:01:00:16

I would say just as blatantly obvious as a lot of the hip hop and a lot of the music that poisons the minds of the youth that's predicated upon womanizing and being a gang banger and slinging drugs and this and that. Dude, I love hip hop. I think hip hop's great. It's done more good than it has done bad.

Gareth Hoernel

01:01:19:15

But there's a lot of undertones in certain cultures of music that is to promote a certain identity and ideology, just like there's certain propaganda, is that we're flooded with on CNN and Fox and all these news conglomerate media outlets say you can't trust any of them. That has an ulterior motive to to brainwash and to push a certain narrative so that we implode and we destroy ourselves.

Gareth Hoernel

01:01:43:01

So everything can either be a nourishing supplement or a destructive poison.

Justin McMillen

01:01:47:21

I think what's interesting about you and so, so, you know, ten years ago, five years ago, you talk like this and people be like, that's that's bananas, right? But it's not like we I mean, we're right in the middle of the Epstein files.

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:02:00

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:02:02:16

Have you followed any of that?

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:03:14

I haven't followed a lot. I'd be curious to hear what you kind of heard, but.

Justin McMillen

01:02:06:22

It’s crazy... Like, there was one from there was an email from, Bill gates, to Epstein. You know, he he's like, I gave my wife a venereal disease. He's trying to get antibiotics from him to to, to sneak to his wife.

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:22:16

Yep.

Justin McMillen

01:02:23:08

And this is straight from the government [...] It's it's very. Yeah. It's like everything he thought is true. Just in this one little thing, you see what a piece of shit this man is, right? Other other ones, I mean, just just terrible. I mean, Peter Attia. I love that guy.

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:37:06

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:02:37:13

I loved that guy.

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:37:24

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:02:38:08

And he's. I mean, he's guy. He's been making public apology. So you know what what what look like a conspiracy in is easy. You know, you get the government going. Oh it's all a bunch of, like, a hoax in this. But then it turns out to be true. And so when you're saying things like, yeah, this is on purpose and by design, you know, where some people like, he's overthinking, he's paranoid, like,

Gareth Hoernel

01:02:58:22

No. And it's like, at the end of the day, it's all about leverage. Like, if I want to control or manipulate or control a narrative, I'm going to have, you know, these guys mindset is like, they're going to have these lavish parties where they have the ability to blackmail the guests and the attendees at these parties. In return, they have the negotiation and lateral leverage to maybe make a deal with that person.

Gareth Hoernel

01:03:20:15

But guess what? Like you're going to pay a pound of flesh to if we help you leverage this deal and you're going to be on the hook, and that's where it starts to go into, like people who literally sell their souls for the devil, or so their autonomy and their existence under God to amass fortunes. And you start looking into some of these occult networks in the cabalistic practices that literally are draconian.

Gareth Hoernel

01:03:47:02

They are the same types of practices that Yeshua was speaking out against in Judea in the time of Jerusalem, in the time of Jesus, the bloodletting sacrifices of the firstborn son, the blood rituals of sacrificing, you know, innocent, harmless creatures towards Moloch. You know, Moloch is the dark under Lord that literally these organizations and these lower frequency dark evil entities praise and profess their loyalty to.

Justin McMillen

01:04:19:15

We're moving into, like a spiritual, you know, it's this is humanity moving in?

Gareth Hoernel

01:04:25:19

Absolutely. It is the inflection point between the light and the dark. It is the inflection point between the Christ consciousness and the dark depths of destructive despair. Through the devil. And it's we're coming to this massive, really headway that if we don't band together and have these open ended conversations and unite and wake up the warriors of the light to the truth, we are doomed to repeat history.

Gareth Hoernel

01:04:55:03

And we are doomed to perpetuate God, which is light and love for all of humanity. And we owe it to God first and foremost, our families, our own biology to fight and die on that hill if we have to, to preserve and protect that, that, that, that godlike energy. And that to me is what is really about. And everything else is just kind of smoke and mirrors and a facade to that real, true underlying overarching apocalyptic problem.

Justin McMillen

01:05:26:17

Yeah.

Gareth Hoernel

01:05:26:24

Coming to terms with, yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:05:28:24

It's crazy how many people, more and more people are from every walk of life, are talking this way.

Gareth Hoernel

01:05:35:06

Yeah. It's almost like there's this great awakening, right? This like universal consciousness is finally coming to a point where we're no longer praising and professing the dogmatic divisions of religions like religions are important in the sense that they give you purpose and community and tribe, but the ultimate religion should be, you know, unconditional love and compassion and tolerance and, you know, non-duality.

Gareth Hoernel

01:06:03:22

You know, I am you and you're right.

Justin McMillen

01:06:05:12

What can what can people do if people start to feel this sense of things like it could be pretty daunting.

Gareth Hoernel

01:06:12:04

It is nothing but quite simply, like if you're about to do something in life, whether it be deciding what sandwich you're going to get down the block, or deciding if you're going to stay in California or go to Florida. Using the same deductive reasoning practice of like, okay, is this going to benefit me to get something that's right and has bacon on it? When I have a history of cardiac arrest and high cholesterol in my family? Probably not. I'm going to go with the leaner option. Is staying in a place like LA where I feel this souless vameristic at times, you know, life force, energy being pulled from me by nature of the work and sometimes the the energy that I'm forced to absorb or is going to Miami where it's going to fill my cup and I'm going to be able to train and work with kids of special needs and go on humanitarian aid missions and launch out of Miami to help with anti-trafficking work. That's going to propel my soul to a much greater level and intuitively align me with God's design and divine plan for my life. So that's what I'm going to do. You know, I think it comes down to just intuitively following what's in your heart and having the mind and heart coherence and faith over fear to pursue that.

Justin McMillen

01:07:18:20

Do you ever worry if people's minds are so filled with static and noise and destruction...

Gareth Hoernel

01:07:25:04

Oh yeah, and that's the... 100% like the radio waves that were flooded with the fluorides in our toothpaste to to do calcify or to calcium, our pineal gland. I mean, breathwork is such a vital tool. And I found through breathwork, like I've been able to like heat up my cerebrospinal fluid to a point where when I'm breaking through that threshold and I feel like my spirit is getting those divine communications through God, through like a very hyperventilate of breath, it.

Gareth Hoernel

01:07:56:00

There's a fear on the other side of that. There's a fear that I may never be able to get my spirit back. I may never be able to recover from this. But on that other side of fear has been, well, when you get to a state where especially you get into like almost hypoxic breathwork or you do, even kriya breathing, which was devised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, which is someone who I studied with in an ashram in, the Art of living Center in North Carolina.

Gareth Hoernel

01:08:21:02

It's like you get to this point where you feel like your spirit is going to connect with the consciousness of God, and it's a fear because you almost feel a you're not worthy of it, and b, you feel as if like you're going to kind of pass out and you just gotta trust that you can get that download and be comfortable in that position.

Gareth Hoernel

01:08:38:08

So the last I mean, year, that's been a major course of my study. And what that has enabled me to do in a beautiful way, through prayer, through meditation, through breathwork, is pair my third eye and basically the pineal gland, like a Bluetooth router to that direct, conscious, prayerful connection to spirit and to God. And I think that is the super power that more people should be practicing.

Justin McMillen

01:09:05:23

Have you ever looked into Kundalini?

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:07:11

I have. Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:09:08:10

That's there's a very similar what you describe.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:10:01

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:09:10:10

Is like a Kundalini type experience. My sister practices it and that's like the Kundalini snake awakening in the spine.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:16:10

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:09:17:05

You’re describing it...

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:18:01

Same type of thing.

Justin McMillen

01:09:18:24

And you're also describing I there's a book I'm reading called My Big Toe. Toe since her Theory of Everything and a guy who's studied at the..., he was with Bob Monroe.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:28:01

Okay.

Justin McMillen

01:09:28:22

And he just he studied remote viewing, but he wrote this book. It took him, like, 40 years to write it. And he has this whole theory of consciousness, and you're describing.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:41:02

Yeah,

Justin McMillen

01:09:41:15

Your your own anecdotal...

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:42:16

It's this universal consciousness, and it's a state of...

Justin McMillen

01:09:46:04

being, like. It's like you don't leave your body. It's like flipping like like churning channels.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:51:03

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:09:51:20

You know, until you, you click into a different frequency and then he's like, you can tap into consciousness and you can download.

Gareth Hoernel

01:09:58:16

You download the data. And it's basically like an upgrade, like you would upgrade your iOS system on your iPhone at at 1059 at night on a Tuesday. You do the same thing with your brain through the activation of the DMT in your third eye. And if you can do that, that same life force chemical that is the conduit of connection between Christ consciousness and our own internal dialog, you literally can be in that perpetual blissful state, just like the Buddha's in the yogis. You know, there's that fame, rage against the machine coverings, protesting that that offensive. And he's in a state of home as he's a golfer in flames. That's that same type of spiritual connection. And I find as an ambassador of Christ consciousness, but as someone who has literally held people in his arms as he recounted what it was like to have a teammate blown up in front of them because you jump on a Fragonard and do nothing to be able to save his life.

Gareth Hoernel

01:10:47:18

I've absorbed that trauma to help others in that struggle of unpacking epigenetic, the traumas that they've experienced from abuse and combat. And that's a mission of mine. That's a divine order. But that same practice needs to be applied to spiritual cleansing of oneself. And breathwork is the best way to do that, in my opinion.

Justin McMillen

01:11:06:04

So you do like halotropic breathing?

Gareth Hoernel

01:11:07:15

Holographic breathing is is incredible for that, but then also like bodywork massage...

Justin McMillen

01:11:11:21

Did you here that the guy that created it was he was studying LSD,

Gareth Hoernel

01:11:15:04

Okay.

Justin McMillen

01:11:15:13

He he because it became illegal. He'd already done, I think 4000...

Gareth Hoernel

01:11:19:11

No [...]!

Justin McMillen

01:11:20:03

LSD studies. And then he because it was made illegal, he was like, I need to come up with something to produce. This is why he created halotropic breathing.

Gareth Hoernel

01:11:27:18

Which makes complete sense. Yeah. And, it's it's incredible. And just like the tree house pillars, like we are our own pharmacy, we can tap into our own natural neuro pharmacology. And that is such a powerful tool. And we are the medicine, right? You can take exogenous ayahuasca in the jungles of Colombia or Peru. And yes, you're going to get an amazing breakthrough. And man, I've seen healing in a profoundly dramatic way. But there's nothing more important than getting in touch with yourself and learning how to breathe and learning how to exercise and eat, clean and meditate and prayer that that anything will ever be able to replace. And we need to give each other and others those daily habits of behavior that can get them in perfect alignment with God, and then their purpose for life and create heaven on earth so that we end in these human suffering.

Gareth Hoernel

01:12:13:14

Because at the end of the day, that's what it's about. And I've I walked the Buddha dela Rosa. I asked Christ to give me the power to analyze human suffering. When I was walking the path that Christ walked in his crucifixion in 2018 for the first time, and I prayed upon this stone slab that Christ's blood poured upon.

Gareth Hoernel

01:12:28:18

It's about your church, and I literally asked for that prayer. And ever since, that has been my main wish. And then he's human suffering through breathwork, through recovery, through anti-trafficking and humanitarian aid. Mission sets. But everything I do in life is to ease that toll mentally, physically, spiritually on humanity.

Justin McMillen

01:12:47:23

You know, Gareth, you you. The thing that's so refreshing about you is that you are very sure about what you stand for, what you believe, and how to live your life. And I think out there, people who are listening, not not everybody, most people aren't even close to as sure.

Gareth Hoernel

01:13:07:07

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:13:07:21

About what they believe. What would you say to somebody who's trying to understand where the foundation is or where the base truth is, and it can be anything.

Gareth Hoernel

01:13:17:14

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:13:17:18

So what would you tell somebody?

Gareth Hoernel

01:13:19:07

I would say having a daily ritual practice of gratitude and prayer to connect to a source and to connect you with your heart centered mind and heart coherence. You know something, Doctor Dan Lipton? And then, of course, Joe Dispenza talks a lot about epigenetic reprograming your mind, your body, so that you do have heart and mind coherence, which is going to put you in a state of non-duality, and you align and start plugging into the world around you in a very empathetic way.

Gareth Hoernel

01:13:45:08

But hydration, you know, physical activity to tap into your serotonin, your dopamine daily. And then a purposeful existence that takes whatever you're skillful at and applies it to as many people and as profoundly positive of a way as humanly possible, and dedicating your craft in your pursuit towards that. And only good things are going to hold off from that purposeful directive and that mission.

Justin McMillen

01:14:09:18

So it's like listening. Step one create a space to allow yourself to even hear.

Gareth Hoernel

01:14:14:09

Drown out the noise distractors.

Justin McMillen

01:14:16:07

Just like the tapping in like the ritual.

Gareth Hoernel

01:14:18:11

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:14:18:20

And it's a ritual. Maybe so that every day you can begin to practice. It's a discipline.

Gareth Hoernel

01:14:22:20

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:14:23:05

So that at some point you may be to start to hear what it is you're supposed to do.

Gareth Hoernel

01:14:28:05

Because unless it's a discipline, unless it's a daily dialog, you're never going to truly tune into the messaging. And you're never going to have the ability and the wherewithal to really drown out all that external noise.

Justin McMillen

01:14:40:11

That makes sense.

Gareth Hoernel

01:14:41:04

You got to make that just as intricate as and process full as it is waking up and brushing your teeth. Do the same thing with your prayer. Do the same thing with your meditation. Do the same thing with your yoga practice. You know. Do things that are moving energy, circulating energy. Create a new neural synaptic activation in your brain.

Justin McMillen

01:14:59:19

So guy out there listening

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:01:21

Yes!

Justin McMillen

01:15:02:10

Step one is repeat this same thing.

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:05:03

Big Biggest...

Justin McMillen

01:15:05:15

find a place to do the same thing every day so you can begin to hear yes, and listen to what it is that you should be doing next.

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:12:02

And and...

Justin McMillen

01:15:12:20

then step two, you said get your body right. So you got to get the chemistry right. Because if this vessel is not able to bring that in, if it's too clouded with with shit.

Justin McMillen

01:15:22:14

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:15:23:01

Right. So is that what you're saying?

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:24:08

100%.

Justin McMillen

01:15:25:00

Okay. And then what was this step three be be useful?

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:28:09

Be useful [...]

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:29:01

Find something that is purposeful, that lights you up and fills your heart and soul with passion and turn that passionate pursuit into some semblance of perfection so you can sustain that practice and then show others how to do the same thing may not be the same passionate purpose that they have that you had, but show them the same rinse and repeat strategy that they can then use to to do the same thing and whatever it is that they're passionate about, and then just replicate that,

Justin McMillen

01:15:56:15

Love it!

Gareth Hoernel

01:15:56:24

replicate that, and teach one and heal one and help one, and just...

Justin McMillen

01:16:00:14

I love it.

Gareth Hoernel

01:16:01:06

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:16:01:16

And then what would you say to people who are feeling like the world is falling apart and they don't know what to do, and they're afraid that everything is is just coming apart at the seams?

Gareth Hoernel

01:16:13:24

Have grace that if you have full control of your mind and body, you're you're you're safe in your space. You're safe in your body. Everything external from that is irrelevant. The money you owe the IRS, the fact that you lost your job, this, that, the other thing. If you can just breathe in the fact that your being here now in your body and and no matter what you lost there, no matter what hardship or reversal you're going through, you still can have a full, heart centered state of gratitude for the gift of life through every breath you take.

Gareth Hoernel

01:16:47:02

And that's an automatic reset. And that literally forges and formidafies your armor. So anything you come in contact with that day is impenetrable to that. That suit of God given armor. And easier said than done. But that is a lot easier to do than just to say, like, you can do that and everyone has access to that.

Gareth Hoernel

01:17:06:23

It's just a matter of being grateful and breathing into the gift that is alive, and dedicating each breath that we take as a covenant with God.

Justin McMillen

01:17:14:03

And then the last, the last thing. And I want to take a second to do this.

Gareth Hoernel

01:17:18:20

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:17:19:01

And. There are a lot of people in this world who are. And I when I think of this, I think of a young person that's in pain and they're afraid, and they wish that they had someone there to protect them. Like you.

Gareth Hoernel

01:17:35:12

Yes.

Justin McMillen

01:17:36:09

And I want you to tell them that they're okay and that they're safe.

Gareth Hoernel

01:17:40:15

Yeah.

Justin McMillen

01:17:40:23

That that they can be protected.

Justin McMillen

01:17:42:24

Can you do that?

Gareth Hoernel

01:17:43:15

Yes. Absolutely. Brother. Yeah. Everyone deserves the divine right to be protected and safeguarded, and everyone is worthy of the highest level of love, of a unconditional, pure state. And if you are in a dangerous situation where you feel unsafe, speak out. Find the biggest, strongest person in your environment that you can go to and let them know the situation you're going through.

Gareth Hoernel

01:18:09:12

Have them protect you, have them safeguard you, and find your way to a Jiu-Jitsu academy. Find your way to a boxing gym. Find your way to a safe space surrounded by true alpha masculine energy that is nurturing, loving, protecting and lean into that and go forth and on that direction so that you literally are the most formidable version of yourself, and no one can ever cause you pain or suffering ever again.

Justin McMillen

01:18:35:09

Thank you,

Gareth Hoernel

01:18:36:08

thank you brother.

Justin McMillen

01:18:38:14

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